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2022 NHL Draft Discussion

Nik said:
I'm just not sure his numbers are all that impressive for a guy his age in the OHL.
He's only 6 months older then Mason McTavish and had 10 more points then him in the recent playoffs. He was 6th in OHL scoring, 4th in P/GM and every guy above him,(all but one are older), was drafted. He was 2nd in P/GM in the playoffs also. I think someone is going to sign him to an AHL deal.
 
Guilt Trip said:
He was 6th in OHL scoring, 4th in P/GM and every guy above him,(all but one are older), was drafted. He was 2nd in P/GM in the playoffs also. I think someone is going to sign him to an AHL deal.

They very well might but if you go down the list of league leaders in the WHL and OHL by year you find a lot of guys in draft +2 scoring 85+ points in a year. It's really not that uncommon. Adam Brooks, for example, in his draft +2 had 120 points and then 23 in 12 playoff games. I don't think the track record of those guys making an impact in the NHL is very good.
 
Rd
Pick
Player Name
Position
Shoots
Draft Year
Height
Weight
League
2​
38​
Fraser Minten
C​
L​
2022 (D-0)​
6'1"​
185 lbs​
WHL​
3​
95​
Nicholas Moldenhauer
RW​
R​
2022 (D-0)​
5'11"​
170 lbs​
USHL​
4​
122​
Dennis Hildeby
G​
L​
2018 (D+2)​
6'6"​
234 lbs​
Swe-Jr​
5​
135​
Nikita Grebenkin
RW​
L​
2019 (D+1)​
6'2"​
187 lbs​
MHL​
7​
218​
Brandon Lisowsky
LW​
L​
2022 (D-0)​
5'9"​
181 lbs​
WHL​

Linked draft pick profiles courtesy of MLHS, Heights/Weights courtesy of EliteProspects
 
Draft Summaries
Pension Plan Puppets
The Leafs Nation
The Athletic (paywall) | Joshua Kloke, Corey Pronman
The Leafs Notebook (MLHS)

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Fraser Minten: I was looking for McGroarty/Ohgren/Beck with our first pick because they were solid two-way forwards (mostly centres) who do all the hockey things well even if they don't put up top-3 pick production. Beck, for instance, is Shane Wright-lite. Fraser Minten profiles similarly, with more forechecking prowess and less playmaking potential. He scored high on the Leafs draft board for being a big time hockey nerd (a la Spezza); the combine interview process involved watching a short clip of a hockey situation, and answering what happened next as well as what he would do. He had an easier time of it since he watched so much NHL hockey in his free time that he recognized most plays.

Nicholas Moldenhauer: He'll be a project to fill out his frame and recover lost development time (illness/injury) to round out the toolbox, but what needs no fixing is his motor. Here's Scott Wheeler's story from before the draft on Moldenhauer's recovery and return to action: link.

Also, I do want to share this hilarious thing: Moldenhauer made his own highlight pack 3 years ago and his first few clips are going to win him some fans.

Dennis Hildeby: I don't know goalies, but the Blackbook scouting report on MLHS about his movement and tracking sound promising. I don't mind taking overagers for positions that seem to need long development tracks. From what the report indicates, Hildeby is trending upward quite sharply. His size specs are like Wilson Fisk's.

Nikita Grebenkin: lots of puck skills and hockey IQ held back by middling skating and almost no shooting mechanics. Like a Jason Allison? There's time and almost no pressure to see where this goes. You don't need the hardest shot to be dangerous if you can do it deceptively, and Grebenkin has a lot of shiftyness.

Brandon Lisowsky: Speaking of deceptive, Lisowsky has an arsenal of shots to choose from. He also has all the hallmarks of a Dubas-era flier: smol, highly productive, with above average edgework to boot. Similar to Minten, the Leafs like his game processing ability and work rate.
 
herman said:
https://theathletic.com/3399674/2022/07/05/maple-leafs-nhl-draft-mitch-marner/
They finally got the story about whether they should get the jet ski or the furnace

The Leafs were without a GM at the time, having fired Dave Nonis in April. Hunter and Kyle Dubas shared GM duties in the interim. Hunter oversaw the amateur scouting operation, a role he kept when Lou Lamoriello was hired as GM later that summer.

?Lou lets people do their jobs. And (team president Brendan Shanahan) lets people do their jobs,? he said. ?So, if it?s a bad pick out there it?s my fault.?

Hunter stresses that last point. Any chatter about missed picks over the years wasn?t about Lamoriello.

?It?s not Lou?s fault. It?s my fault,? Hunter said. ?So, if (people on the outside) want to talk about some other picks, they can talk about them because Lou?s very good at letting people (do their jobs).?

?[Marner]'s a guy that never gets tired,? Hunter said. ?And I think that?s an attribute that a lot of people don?t talk about. The season doesn?t wear him down. And that?s why he?s so consistent. We all watch him ? and he can take a minute and a half shift, or get out there for way too long, and he doesn?t get tired.
This is very true in short samples, but maybe to the detriment of the top line at times, especially towards the end of the season and in playoffs (PP gets static). He might have the legs to move, but tiredness affects decision making too.

Oh btw, SDP had a follow up video that sheds a bit more (unsanitized) light on this story.
 
https://twitter.com/cmhockey66/status/1545858451955408896
https://twitter.com/cmhockey66/status/1545868865963450368
 
https://twitter.com/brigstew86/status/1546465426552619008
https://twitter.com/kyle_cush/status/1546517202597289988
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
The primary reason to be critical of Dubas is also the most obvious one: his teams haven't delivered anything when it counts the most.

I would hope that everyone here agrees that if it happens again this year he's turfed.

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Firing Dubas for the team not winning playoff rounds would be the kind of reactionary mistake the Leafs used to make in the 80s. The GM's contribution is to put the best roster together he can. Unless the new guy can guarantee playoff success, which nobody can, that's a bad metric to replace your GM on.
 
IJustLurkHere said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
The primary reason to be critical of Dubas is also the most obvious one: his teams haven't delivered anything when it counts the most.

I would hope that everyone here agrees that if it happens again this year he's turfed.

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Firing Dubas for the team not winning playoff rounds would be the kind of reactionary mistake the Leafs used to make in the 80s. The GM's contribution is to put the best roster together he can. Unless the new guy can guarantee playoff success, which nobody can, that's a bad metric to replace your GM on.

Uhhh, OK got it.

By your standard GMs would have jobs for life ... certainly every last one would say "I am putting together the best roster I can."  And I for one wouldn't doubt them.  Never heard of a GM sabotaging his own team.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
IJustLurkHere said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
The primary reason to be critical of Dubas is also the most obvious one: his teams haven't delivered anything when it counts the most.

I would hope that everyone here agrees that if it happens again this year he's turfed.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk

Firing Dubas for the team not winning playoff rounds would be the kind of reactionary mistake the Leafs used to make in the 80s. The GM's contribution is to put the best roster together he can. Unless the new guy can guarantee playoff success, which nobody can, that's a bad metric to replace your GM on.

Uhhh, OK got it.

By your standard GMs would have jobs for life ... certainly every last one would say "I am putting together the best roster I can."  And I for one wouldn't doubt them.  Never heard of a GM sabotaging his own team.

Nonis and JFJ say hello. Floyd Smith also throws his hat in the ring.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
IJustLurkHere said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
The primary reason to be critical of Dubas is also the most obvious one: his teams haven't delivered anything when it counts the most.

I would hope that everyone here agrees that if it happens again this year he's turfed.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk

Firing Dubas for the team not winning playoff rounds would be the kind of reactionary mistake the Leafs used to make in the 80s. The GM's contribution is to put the best roster together he can. Unless the new guy can guarantee playoff success, which nobody can, that's a bad metric to replace your GM on.

Uhhh, OK got it.

By your standard GMs would have jobs for life

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GM for life?  Why hello there
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
IJustLurkHere said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
The primary reason to be critical of Dubas is also the most obvious one: his teams haven't delivered anything when it counts the most.

I would hope that everyone here agrees that if it happens again this year he's turfed.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Tapatalk

Firing Dubas for the team not winning playoff rounds would be the kind of reactionary mistake the Leafs used to make in the 80s. The GM's contribution is to put the best roster together he can. Unless the new guy can guarantee playoff success, which nobody can, that's a bad metric to replace your GM on.

Uhhh, OK got it.

By your standard GMs would have jobs for life ... certainly every last one would say "I am putting together the best roster I can."  And I for one wouldn't doubt them.  Never heard of a GM sabotaging his own team.

No. Plenty of reasons to dislike and even fire Dubas, just use any of those. Management 101 is to measure employees on inputs not outputs. Winning playoff rounds is clearly an output. My main point though was that your lazy consensus doesn?t exist.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Frank E said:
herman said:
https://theathletic.com/3399674/2022/07/05/maple-leafs-nhl-draft-mitch-marner/
They finally got the story about whether they should get the jet ski or the furnace

godamit herman...it was the snowmobile or the furnace.

How the hell does jet ski or furnace make any sense?

Thanks Frank, for stepping in here.  We must defend the sacred moments on this board with unshakeable fidelity.

https://twitter.com/itsmitchmarney/status/1556352390626000900
 
https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1563178258816184320
https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1563178268433747975
 
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1562937364418162688
Not Leafs, but fun video peeking behind the curtain of the new Habs front office and their draft process.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1562937364418162688
Not Leafs, but fun video peeking behind the curtain of the new Habs front office and their draft process.

Would have been better with Marc Bergevin : "sure he's been charged with sexual assault and has asked not to be drafted, but I don't care, we're taking this kid anyway!"
 
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