2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[ZBBM]

On the bright side it seems to me that J?rnkrok is playing his best hockey since he got here.

 

[ZBBM]

But Klingberg?  Is he fixable?  Was he THIS bad defensively during his best offensive years?

https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1722440955012231443

Boy, you must have had that in your holster!  #quickanswers

 

[herman]

https://x.com/leafspr/status/1722656309340754393
Someone?s getting pressboxed

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1722663992554926194

Reaves still in despite the Holmberg call-up, but Klingberg appears to be set for a scratch this weekend.

 

[Bender]

But Klingberg?  Is he fixable?  Was he THIS bad defensively during his best offensive years?

https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1722440955012231443

Boy, you must have had that in your holster!  #quickanswers

Crazy how he fell off an absolute cliff.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1722681185447424078

 

[ZBBM]

But Klingberg?  Is he fixable?  Was he THIS bad defensively during his best offensive years?

https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1722440955012231443

Boy, you must have had that in your holster!  #quickanswers

Crazy how he fell off an absolute cliff.

I read this as him falling off the defensive cliff a couple of seasons ago.  I presume Treliving has plenty of access to this kind of data.

 

[Guilt Trip]

On the bright side it seems to me that J?rnkrok is playing his best hockey since he got here.

Yes and it looks like Domi and Bert have got it going a bit. Nice to see Robertson producing as well. Hope they can get McCabe back soon and get back to playing a more structured game.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/1722681185447424078

One can hope.

 

[Arn]

And Patrick Kane.

I've been open to Kane before and it'd be pretty funny to see the Leafs sign all 3 of the IR UFAs but the timing right now would be tricky. There's only room for one of him or Robertson in the top-9 and obviously Robertson's early results have been good.

Imagine going from Reaves to Kane though. Talk about a pivot. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

And Patrick Kane.

I've been open to Kane before and it'd be pretty funny to see the Leafs sign all 3 of the IR UFAs but the timing right now would be tricky. There's only room for one of him or Robertson in the top-9 and obviously Robertson's early results have been good.

Imagine going from Reaves to Kane though. Talk about a pivot. 

Reaves to McMann would be a pivot. Going 11/7 would be a pivot lol.

 

[bustaheims]

I read this as him falling off the defensive cliff a couple of seasons ago.  I presume Treliving has plenty of access to this kind of data.

I don?t think he was signed with the expectation his defence would improve dramatically, but that his offensive abilities would be reenergized playing in the Leafs? system. That hasn?t happen, which is a problem, as having another blue liner who can skate with the puck has been a need since before last season. If he could provide that, it would also help mitigate some of his defensive shortcomings.

 

[dappleganger]

And Patrick Kane.

I've been open to Kane before and it'd be pretty funny to see the Leafs sign all 3 of the IR UFAs but the timing right now would be tricky. There's only room for one of him or Robertson in the top-9 and obviously Robertson's early results have been good.

Imagine going from Reaves to Kane though. Talk about a pivot. 

Just explain to Kane the Leafs have a problem on the 4th line and he could totally be the solution to that problem. I'm sure he'd be dying to sign.

 

[herman]

Is current Patrick Kane just a shorter, older John Klingberg that can?t skate backwards?

 

[ZBBM]

I read this as him falling off the defensive cliff a couple of seasons ago.  I presume Treliving has plenty of access to this kind of data.

I don?t think he was signed with the expectation his defence would improve dramatically, but that his offensive abilities would be reenergized playing in the Leafs? system. That hasn?t happen, which is a problem, as having another blue liner who can skate with the puck has been a need since before last season. If he could provide that, it would also help mitigate some of his defensive shortcomings.

Good points.  He'd have to produce like Cale Makar to outscore his "defense," though.

As for the bolded part, that was Rasmus Sandin.  What a pissaway that trade was.  There's a fair bit that I miss about Dubas, but he sure made some glaringly stupid moves.

 

[herman]

As for the bolded part, that was Rasmus Sandin.  What a pissaway that trade was.  There's a fair bit that I miss about Dubas, but he sure made some glaringly stupid moves.

Pretty sure this was more about giving Sandin a shot at playing higher up NHL minutes. He had just acquired Jake McCabe, and there was still Rielly, Brodie, Giordano in the fold. Keefe wasn't going to be comfortable giving Sandin top 4 min regularly with his backwards skating/pivoting mobility issues.

Like the Leivo, Dermott trades before, Dubas tried to find them teams with open lanes for their niche.

As for needing wheels and puck movers on the backend: not sure why we didn't try to keep Erik Gustafsson as a depth signing (obviously his choice). Timmins will be very welcome after this Klingberg experiment runs its course.

 

[ZBBM]

As for the bolded part, that was Rasmus Sandin.  What a pissaway that trade was.  There's a fair bit that I miss about Dubas, but he sure made some glaringly stupid moves.

Pretty sure this was more about giving Sandin a shot at playing higher up NHL minutes. He had just acquired Jake McCabe, and there was still Rielly, Brodie, Giordano in the fold. Keefe wasn't going to be comfortable giving Sandin top 4 min regularly with his backwards skating/pivoting mobility issues.

Like the Leivo, Dermott trades before, Dubas tried to find them teams with open lanes for their niche.

As for needing wheels and puck movers on the backend: not sure why we didn't try to keep Erik Gustafsson as a depth signing (obviously his choice). Timmins will be very welcome after this Klingberg experiment runs its course.

Sandin is better than several of our current D, is better than Gustafsson.  Affordable too.  He'd look real good in our lineup right now.

 

[Bender]

As for the bolded part, that was Rasmus Sandin.  What a pissaway that trade was.  There's a fair bit that I miss about Dubas, but he sure made some glaringly stupid moves.

Pretty sure this was more about giving Sandin a shot at playing higher up NHL minutes. He had just acquired Jake McCabe, and there was still Rielly, Brodie, Giordano in the fold. Keefe wasn't going to be comfortable giving Sandin top 4 min regularly with his backwards skating/pivoting mobility issues.

Like the Leivo, Dermott trades before, Dubas tried to find them teams with open lanes for their niche.

As for needing wheels and puck movers on the backend: not sure why we didn't try to keep Erik Gustafsson as a depth signing (obviously his choice). Timmins will be very welcome after this Klingberg experiment runs its course.

Sandin is better than several of our current D, is better than Gustafsson.  Affordable too.  He'd look real good in our lineup right now.

Let's hope it was worth it for Easton.

 

[Highlander]

As for the bolded part, that was Rasmus Sandin.  What a pissaway that trade was.  There's a fair bit that I miss about Dubas, but he sure made some glaringly stupid moves.

Pretty sure this was more about giving Sandin a shot at playing higher up NHL minutes. He had just acquired Jake McCabe, and there was still Rielly, Brodie, Giordano in the fold. Keefe wasn't going to be comfortable giving Sandin top 4 min regularly with his backwards skating/pivoting mobility issues.

Like the Leivo, Dermott trades before, Dubas tried to find them teams with open lanes for their niche.

As for needing wheels and puck movers on the backend: not sure why we didn't try to keep Erik Gustafsson as a depth signing (obviously his choice). Timmins will be very welcome after this Klingberg experiment runs its course.

Sandin is better than several of our current D, is better than Gustafsson.  Affordable too.  He'd look real good in our lineup right now.

Let's hope it was worth it for Easton.
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It will be??in spades

 

[IJustLurkHere]

As for the bolded part, that was Rasmus Sandin.  What a pissaway that trade was.  There's a fair bit that I miss about Dubas, but he sure made some glaringly stupid moves.

I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to Sandin in Washington. The stats say 1 assist in 11 games. Is there something more to this which says we didn't get fair value?