2024 Offseason Thread: Changes
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I thought that PC reeked of BS
You'd have to be nearly idiotic to think the Leafs had reliable goaltending going into the last month before the playoffs and on - and frankly much of the season ... as their starter cleared waivers with mental/confidence issues .. Latter March numbers were not good.
They were 21st in GAA - which wasn't all on the goalies. But 3.18 GAA is nearly 40 points higher than the highest Cup winning goalie in the last 30 years. They had virtually no chance.
There was no parade plan. The only real question was "when is the funeral?"
The tone of "we're disappointed" was disingenuous and arguably insulting.
How could they not know? They knew there was a very good chance they were going to be disappointed last summer.
The PK stunk nearly all year and got a little worse statistically after the trade deadline. It was 23rd in the league.
Their docs had to have known the 10 year wick on Klingberg's hip surgery was nearly burnt. And therefore, they never really landed a reliable UFA dman last summer they could count on. And he wasn't the physical type they needed most.
Did you look at all the hockey media folks making playoff predictions? I actually saw one idiot picked the Leafs but he didn't work at MLSE. But no one who was knowledgeable or serious picked the Leafs to win a Cup. Again, no surprise.
How about the oddsmakers? The Leafs were not a true contender. They were a second tier longshot.
They were not even favored against Boston.
The talent accumulated for this season was not as good as the talent they had last season.
It was as blatantly obvious as it could be last summer.
"We're going to re-evaluate everything ..." Someone in the media then asked "didn't you do that the last 7 seasons?" Answer "Yes, we do it every season ..."
On a positive note, it sounds like they're not going to make a panic decision on the coach. Looks like they're taking a deliberate methodical evaluation/interview process - as they should.
I was not impressed. Left with a bad odor.
You'd have to be nearly idiotic to think the Leafs had reliable goaltending going into the last month before the playoffs and on - and frankly much of the season ... as their starter cleared waivers with mental/confidence issues .. Latter March numbers were not good.
They were 21st in GAA - which wasn't all on the goalies. But 3.18 GAA is nearly 40 points higher than the highest Cup winning goalie in the last 30 years. They had virtually no chance.
There was no parade plan. The only real question was "when is the funeral?"
The tone of "we're disappointed" was disingenuous and arguably insulting.
How could they not know? They knew there was a very good chance they were going to be disappointed last summer.
The PK stunk nearly all year and got a little worse statistically after the trade deadline. It was 23rd in the league.
Their docs had to have known the 10 year wick on Klingberg's hip surgery was nearly burnt. And therefore, they never really landed a reliable UFA dman last summer they could count on. And he wasn't the physical type they needed most.
Did you look at all the hockey media folks making playoff predictions? I actually saw one idiot picked the Leafs but he didn't work at MLSE. But no one who was knowledgeable or serious picked the Leafs to win a Cup. Again, no surprise.
How about the oddsmakers? The Leafs were not a true contender. They were a second tier longshot.
They were not even favored against Boston.
The talent accumulated for this season was not as good as the talent they had last season.
It was as blatantly obvious as it could be last summer.
"We're going to re-evaluate everything ..." Someone in the media then asked "didn't you do that the last 7 seasons?" Answer "Yes, we do it every season ..."
On a positive note, it sounds like they're not going to make a panic decision on the coach. Looks like they're taking a deliberate methodical evaluation/interview process - as they should.
I was not impressed. Left with a bad odor.
herman
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Bullfrog said:
The results will speak for themselves
the Auston Matthews of it all should not be underestimated. And I?d say this about any perimeter playmaker: good shooters can work with junk passes just fine. Marner is elite at what he does and the only problem is it?s not what I think the Leafs need from his cap hit.
herman said:
"Joe Woll SI joint sprain"
That could be a longer term problem ...
Woll Games played since becoming pro (AHL & NHL)
2019-20 32
2020-21 15
2021-22 19
2022-23 33
2023-24 29
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Ave 25.6 appearances/season including playoffs
They have to find a healthy starter
herman
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cw said:
Woll has loose joints/hypermobility (he mentioned this previously) and needs to build up additional structural support to keep himself ?contained?. He has now been injured twice on desperation saves when getting pulled out of position (ankle, SI). There was an arm injury with the Marlies as well.
herman said:
He injured his shoulder with the Marlies.
Then he re-injured it while rehabbing
Then he injured his ankle while rehabbing the 2nd shoulder injury
I like him. Seems like a pretty cool customer. And a good goalie when he's healthy.
But they can't rely on that health history.
UFA market is not great and likely to get thinner before July 1
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2025/sv/all/goalies/ufa?stats-season=2024&display=weight,height&hide=skater-stats&limits=age-25-33,gp-10-90
One can have a bounce back from their first hip surgery so they might keep tabs on Matt Murray
Maybe they should be beating the bushes in Europe/Russia for a UFA to try ...
Woll & a backup is not a reliable answer.
herman
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herman said:
As always, MLHS with the goods transcribing the whole affair, which you'll probably need because MLSE could not afford a decent audio set up.
Pelley | "Good is not good enough". "The recipe for success is skill, chemistry, and unity"
Shanahan | ?There is a time for preaching patience, and there is a time when you have to examine the patterns that persist? Everything will be on the table?
Treliving | "Everybody has to feel important"
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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The way Shanahan played the game, he won three cups and knows what it takes. I think this is a board issue, particularly Tanenbaum wanting to hang on to the "core four".
Maybe they have the board convinced that this team can't win the way it is structured.
Maybe they have the board convinced that this team can't win the way it is structured.
Guilt Trip
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I'm just going to leave this funsy stat.cw said:
The Leafs PK was over 80% with a certain goalie in net and around 73% when he wasn't the goalie. Pretty sure we all know which goalie was better.
As for the presser, all lip service. Some guy said nothing was off the table last year too but he didn't come back. I find it funny that Keefe won 1 round in 5 years and Shanny won 1 in 10 but he didn't lose his job, hmmmm....the response was laughable.
We'll see what happens but they better get the right guy behind the bench first.
Guilt Trip
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But they're not dealing with the Marner camp so why should they care?herman said:
Guilt Trip
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Gotchaherman said: