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2024 Offseason Thread: Changes

herman said:
  • Broissoit, Lankinen, Stolarz, and Talbot are the plan B for a tandem G

Honestly I think I might be leaning toward Talbot at this point, with Murray as 3G. Very, very unsexy and uninspiring sure. But especially with the talk of Woll getting his extension I'm not sure committing another $3.5mil-ish to either Brossoit or Stolarz for 3-4 years would be very wise. Talbot's cheaper, will be more of a short-term fix, from southern Ontario, has been signed by Treliving before, and unlike the others has actually played in a starter role before including even last season with the Kings with a .913 Sv% in 54 games.
 
https://twitter.com/FAN590/status/1806024627916787870
Mercenaries are coming

https://x.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1806019792526332407
Toronto is in talks with pending restricted free agent Timothy Liljegren on a new contract. While that takes place, I?m also told he remains available for trade. Does a new deal make him easier to move?
 
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https://x.com/leafsnews/status/1806111487787782407

Also posted in the draft thread because most of the questions are about that; but the free agency period and Marner obviously comes up too.
 
Bender said:
Mercenaries are nice but we need guys who want to be here and can play under pressure.

It is common to see guys outperform in a contract year - a one-year mercenary has a lot of incentive to perform well.
 
All the trade scenarios run through by MLHS have the Leafs losing the trade.  Like, not even close.  It's literally insane.

However, given his salary and upcoming contract negotiation, I don?t think we?ll see anyone who finished even inside the top 30 of league scoring this past season traded straight up for Marner this summer.

Read the tea leaves any way you like, and push your agenda however you wish, but the Leafs are going to lose a Marner trade. 
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
All the trade scenarios run through by MLHS have the Leafs losing the trade.  Like, not even close.  It's literally insane.

However, given his salary and upcoming contract negotiation, I don?t think we?ll see anyone who finished even inside the top 30 of league scoring this past season traded straight up for Marner this summer.

Read the tea leaves any way you like, and push your agenda however you wish, but the Leafs are going to lose a Marner trade. 

Last year, Treliving declared re-signing both Matthews & Nylander were very important.
Since signing Nylander, Treliving said they looked at trading Nylander but didn't like the return.

This year, Treliving did not make the same declaration about Marner. As a result, we have 100 fold trade rumours and all kinds of daily media on why Marner is garbage - why the Leafs would do such a thing, etc. That will now be perceived by the fans, media & ownership of the GM who might have considered trading for him.

Getting rid of a "star" is a sign of (cap) desperation that devalues the "star" asset as the expendable "star" - 'some one we don't have to have to win a Cup ...'.

So Treliving has been successful in devaluing the asset he wants to trade.
When it comes to UFA time, Marner's agent will not hesitate to remind Treliving of that when Treliving asks for a hometown discount. "No Brad, you can bid for him like everyone else"

About 20-25% of the league has a NMC or a full NTC. The vast majority of those are held by the top players in the league. So right there, it gets very difficult to expect one of those players in return. You have two parties who have to give up that clause.

Look at the various moves teams are making to make cap space. ie buying out Suter to get another $1.4 mil. You have to do some serious heavy lifting to make cap room for $10.9 mil now and beyond that next year when all your big contracts have NMC/NTCs.

You look at the Leafs present cap situation & roster. You can easily see that they cannot do all the changes they would like to do in one season. It will take this year?s cap space plus next years. It underscores Marner's selling party's desperation: trading from a position of weakness.

Then look at Marner's NMC. Is he going to suddenly approve all NHL destinations? No. Best case, if any, is a very small handful of destinations - like 4. So why do the other 27 teams and the rest of the hockey world & media need to know? Love to hear Brad's answer to Marner's agent on that one.

And yesterday, Treliving was whining about not being able to respond to all the media noise ... when he hypocritically had a very significant hand in turning up the widespread volume ...

To me, the stupidity of how Treliving has handled this is beyond words.
Why couldn't he handle it discretely like he did Nylander - who didn't have a NMC?

They had almost no chance of getting an equivalent talent return for Marner. They learned that when they tried to move Nylander. They cemented that with the gong show way they handled it. Discretion is the better part of valour.

People do things for a reason. Treliving is confronted with not being able to change the roster enough for next spring. The brunt of that circumstance is not his fault.
 
Say what you want about Dubas, but had he still been here this narrative would not be floating out there. I liked it better when the leafs ran a tight lid on their operations. Now it?s almost back to the Bill Waters days when he was pretty much giving out info to his buddies.

 
https://x.com/TLNdc/status/1806675528952209530
If I were the Leafs front office, I am doing this to establish exactly the uppermost amount the Leafs will ever offer. And then I'm sharing what the other GMs have pitched in terms of ballpark extensions.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/TLNdc/status/1806675528952209530
If I were the Leafs front office, I am doing this to establish exactly the uppermost amount the Leafs will ever offer. And then I'm sharing what the other GMs have pitched in terms of ballpark extensions.
I cannot comprehend how this team can take the next stop being so top-heavy. The cap rises and the core all gets raises and we're in the same place. Even with Tavares lower, we're spinning our wheels.
 
I think the Leafs have to do this. Scenario: They can say they offered an 8 year extension but the player refused. They now have no choice but to try and trade the player and recoup assets.

As an aside, I don't think signing Mitch to an extension has any detrimental effect to trading him.
 
cabber24 said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/TLNdc/status/1806675528952209530
If I were the Leafs front office, I am doing this to establish exactly the uppermost amount the Leafs will ever offer. And then I'm sharing what the other GMs have pitched in terms of ballpark extensions.
I cannot comprehend how this team can take the next stop being so top-heavy. The cap rises and the core all gets raises and we're in the same place. Even with Tavares lower, we're spinning our wheels.

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? How the NHL has created a league where teams cannot hang on to their own homegrown talent? And conditioned fans to direct vitriol towards players for getting whatever salaries they get.

Honestly I hate the NHL as an organization so much. The fact that as fans we want to throw a super talented player away because of this ridiculous cap is infuriating.

And look at NHL salaries compared to any other league. MLB has mediocre relief pitchers making 10mil. I know apples and oranges, but I?m just so sick of this stupid nhl model that?s made for the stable teams to prop up these markets that don?t give a shit about hockey.

Anyway whatever. That?s my rant.
 
Joe said:
cabber24 said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/TLNdc/status/1806675528952209530
If I were the Leafs front office, I am doing this to establish exactly the uppermost amount the Leafs will ever offer. And then I'm sharing what the other GMs have pitched in terms of ballpark extensions.
I cannot comprehend how this team can take the next stop being so top-heavy. The cap rises and the core all gets raises and we're in the same place. Even with Tavares lower, we're spinning our wheels.

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? How the NHL has created a league where teams cannot hang on to their own homegrown talent? And conditioned fans to direct vitriol towards players for getting whatever salaries they get.

Honestly I hate the NHL as an organization so much. The fact that as fans we want to throw a super talented player away because of this ridiculous cap is infuriating.

And look at NHL salaries compared to any other league. MLB has mediocre relief pitchers making 10mil. I know apples and oranges, but I?m just so sick of this stupid nhl model that?s made for the stable teams to prop up these markets that don?t give a shit about hockey.

Anyway whatever. That?s my rant.
Well said. Matthews will have the biggest salary this coming year right now. He would be ranked 91st in the NBA. 74th in MLB and 97th in the NFL.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Joe said:
cabber24 said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/TLNdc/status/1806675528952209530
If I were the Leafs front office, I am doing this to establish exactly the uppermost amount the Leafs will ever offer. And then I'm sharing what the other GMs have pitched in terms of ballpark extensions.
I cannot comprehend how this team can take the next stop being so top-heavy. The cap rises and the core all gets raises and we're in the same place. Even with Tavares lower, we're spinning our wheels.

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? How the NHL has created a league where teams cannot hang on to their own homegrown talent? And conditioned fans to direct vitriol towards players for getting whatever salaries they get.

Honestly I hate the NHL as an organization so much. The fact that as fans we want to throw a super talented player away because of this ridiculous cap is infuriating.

And look at NHL salaries compared to any other league. MLB has mediocre relief pitchers making 10mil. I know apples and oranges, but I?m just so sick of this stupid nhl model that?s made for the stable teams to prop up these markets that don?t give a shit about hockey.

Anyway whatever. That?s my rant.
Well said. Matthews will have the biggest salary this coming year right now. He would be ranked 91st in the NBA. 74th in MLB and 97th in the NFL.

Well said, it is beyond frustrating. I know I'm not the only one who has wondered about the viability of a luxury tax system for the NHL, similar to what exists in the NBA. Granted, I haven't researched or looked into this closely, so maybe there's an obvious reason this wouldn't work for the NHL? But on the surface it seems like something that could only help, and one would figure that the Leafs wouldn't have any issue spending to whatever the ceiling would be in that system. 
 
https://x.com/TicTacTOmar/status/1806882014223589694

Kevin Weekes says he has had a lot of chats with Marner's agent, Ferris and that Marner will be starting the season with the Leafs (paraphrased) "It is his contractual right. I don't seem him relinquishing that".
 
Checking my understanding of this situation:

I'm seeing contract estimates for Liljegren between $3.xM/yr for a year and $4.xM/yr in a short multiyear.
He is eligible for arbitration if the Leafs give him a qualifying offer.
If he's offered less than ~$4.7M/yr in arbitration, the Leafs can't walk away in the 1st year.

It is awkward timing because age 25 (arguably next year for Liljegren) is when a number of developing dmen settle down. He's shown some flashes like when Rielly got hurt but also some inconsistency.

Leafs have allegedly explored the trade market for him but obviously, no takers yet - probably due to his arbitration situation.
I'm sure they've had contract discussions.

I'm not sure the Leafs should qualify him.
Thoughts?
 
cw said:
Checking my understanding of this situation:

I'm seeing contract estimates for Liljegren between $3.xM/yr for a year and $4.xM/yr in a short multiyear.
He is eligible for arbitration if the Leafs give him a qualifying offer.
If he's offered less than ~$4.7M/yr in arbitration, the Leafs can't walk away in the 1st year.

It is awkward timing because age 25 (arguably next year for Liljegren) is when a number of developing dmen settle down. He's shown some flashes like when Rielly got hurt but also some inconsistency.

Leafs have allegedly explored the trade market for him but obviously, no takers yet - probably due to his arbitration situation.
I'm sure they've had contract discussions.

I'm not sure the Leafs should qualify him.
Thoughts?

Not qualifying him would be a bad look. I like Liljegren and think he's a good defenseman but if they're going to scratch him in the playoffs, get rid of him and get someone you're not going to scratch in the playoffs.
 

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