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2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

herman said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1926980883086479559
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Getting Duchene, who's coming off an 82-point season, for just $4.5mil feels like a bit of a pipe-dream. He might want to come back to Ontario at this stage of his career but it won't be with that much of a home-town/province discount like Tavares.

But ultimately yeah this is probably what we'll see. Clear out as much dead weight/space as possible, fill up the spots with good veterans on short-term deals.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Getting Duchene, who's coming off an 82-point season, for just $4.5mil feels like a bit of a pipe-dream. He might want to come back to Ontario at this stage of his career but it won't be with that much of a home-town/province discount like Tavares.

But ultimately yeah this is probably what we'll see. Clear out as much dead weight/space as possible, fill up the spots with good veterans on short-term deals.
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That is a move that makes no sense for Duchene. I think we see assets moved to get Pageau or someone like that instead, and then clear out some of our bottom 6 driftwood for late picks and prospects in need of a change of scenery.

I do want to find some way of getting Vincent Trocheck without costing Cowan (which is probably more unlikely than Duchene signing here with a sweetheart UFA cap hit).
 
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Every projected line-up that I've seen, including my own, has had Scott Laughton lining up at 4C. Is that seriously all that he is now? Did we really give up a 1st and a decent prospect for that? I really hope that this is like a Jake McCabe-type situation where his full year 1 performance is night and day from what we saw post-trade deadline. Even if it's on the wing we really need him to find a role somewhere in the top-9 I think.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Every projected line-up that I've seen, including my own, has had Scott Laughton lining up at 4C. Is that seriously all that he is now? Did we really give up a 1st and a decent prospect for that? I really hope that this is like a Jake McCabe-type situation where his full year 1 performance is night and day from what we saw post-trade deadline. Even if it's on the wing we really need him to find a role somewhere in the top-9 I think.
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I hope that to be the case as well...he's a ~.5 PPG over the past few years, including earlier this season in Philly.

That's decent 3rd line centre territory...but boy would it be nice to have some finish in the bottom 6, like Robertson.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Every projected line-up that I've seen, including my own, has had Scott Laughton lining up at 4C. Is that seriously all that he is now? Did we really give up a 1st and a decent prospect for that? I really hope that this is like a Jake McCabe-type situation where his full year 1 performance is night and day from what we saw post-trade deadline. Even if it's on the wing we really need him to find a role somewhere in the top-9 I think.
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I think it's either 4 C or 3 LW. Laughton is what he is. He's a good player. A good player to have in the bottom 6. Giving up a 1st for him was the mistake. People can say that's what the cost was, but you don't have to make that trade and why does it seem, every team besides the Leafs seems to give up less to get more?

If you're Anaheim and lose a trade to Seattle, no one talks about it. If you lose a trade to the Leafs, the media will talk about it forever.
 
I have no issue with Laughton. I don't think Berube used him properly, but what do I know? Not much I guess. I didn't expect him to produce much playing with Jarnkrok and Lorentz. I wanted to see him up the lineup and even get a shot in the top 6 with 91/88. He would help that line in the D zone and on the forecheck and he def has more punch then Holmberg. He's not a 4th liner at this stage.
 
Frank E said:
I hope that to be the case as well...he's a ~.5 PPG over the past few years, including earlier this season in Philly.

That's decent 3rd line centre territory...but boy would it be nice to have some finish in the bottom 6, like Robertson.
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The caveat with those points being he did that with over 1:00 of PP time a game and anywhere from 2-5 more minutes played per game. Which he’s unlikely to get in Toronto.
 
GhostofPotvin29 said:
The caveat with those points being he did that with over 1:00 of PP time a game and anywhere from 2-5 more minutes played per game. Which he’s unlikely to get in Toronto.
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His 5-on-5 scoring rate has been 1.43 points per 60 the past 3 season with Philly, which is pretty standard for 3rd liners. It was actually 1.80 this season before the trade, which is closer to 2nd line production even.

With the right linemates he certainly has a lot more offence to give than he's shown so far. I agree with GT, really don't understand why he wasn't given more opportunity on the JT-Willy line. Especially considering how much time Holmberg was given there.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
His 5-on-5 scoring rate has been 1.43 points per 60 the past 3 season with Philly, which is pretty standard for 3rd liners. It was actually 1.80 this season before the trade, which is closer to 2nd line production even.

With the right linemates he certainly has a lot more offence to give than he's shown so far. I agree with GT, really don't understand why he wasn't given more opportunity on the JT-Willy line. Especially considering how much time Holmberg was given there.
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Seemed like he was set up to fail.

Edit: Though after looking into it more, his most common linemate in Philly seems to have been Travis Konecny so that makes me slightly less impressed with him putting up low end 3rd liner points at 5v5.
 
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Interesting note in the Athletic today: apparently doctors finally cleared Hakanpaa to play just days before the Leafs lost game 7 to Florida.

Obviously he would have needed at least one injury to a defenceman to get into the line-up, but rough break for him. Wonder if the Leafs entertain bringing him back next season, maybe on a PTO.

Maybe seems like a crazy idea but we spent virtually all of 23/24 rehabbing John Klingberg and got nothing out of it. Next season comes around and he's a contributing defenceman on a potentially Stanley Cup winning team.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Interesting note in the Athletic today: apparently doctors finally cleared Hakanpaa to play just days before the Leafs lost game 7 to Florida.

Obviously he would have needed at least one injury to a defenceman to get into the line-up, but rough break for him. Wonder if the Leafs entertain bringing him back next season, maybe on a PTO.

Maybe seems like a crazy idea but we spent virtually all of 23/24 rehabbing John Klingberg and got nothing out of it. Next season comes around and he's a contributing defenceman on a potentially Stanley Cup winning team.
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I'd bring Hakanpaa back if he wants to continue. $1.5m? No real harm in that.
 
ZBBM said:
I think we need a better Rielly, not a better Haakanpaa.

Sorry, I meant to write Rïëllÿ and Hääkänpää.
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We need at least one more guy on the backend with Rielly's puck moving abilities. The lack of mobility and puck moving skills makes the Leafs very susceptible to a heavy forecheck, with Florida really took advantage of (Ottawa tried to as well, they're just not good enough to turn it into an advantage for them).

Haakanpaa is not the guy for that, at all. There are enough guys on the roster who bring the type of game he does. Carlo essentially made him irrelevant to the Leafs.
 
bustaheims said:
We need at least one more guy on the backend with Rielly's puck moving abilities. The lack of mobility and puck moving skills makes the Leafs very susceptible to a heavy forecheck, with Florida really took advantage of (Ottawa tried to as well, they're just not good enough to turn it into an advantage for them).

Haakanpaa is not the guy for that, at all. There are enough guys on the roster who bring the type of game he does. Carlo essentially made him irrelevant to the Leafs.
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Yes, absolutely. If Treliving can work his magic on an DNQ RFA mobile defenseman like Benoit (but puckier), then please do that. Whoever made the pitch for Florida to scoop up Gustav Forsling, hire that guy. As long as the D-man can really skate, I can dial back the ask on some of the puck skills. (How do we trick Kyle Davidson out of Sam Rinzel)

I still think it's okay to keep Hakanpaa as a spare because he's better than Myers as a fill-in.
 
bustaheims said:
We need at least one more guy on the backend with Rielly's puck moving abilities. The lack of mobility and puck moving skills makes the Leafs very susceptible to a heavy forecheck, with Florida really took advantage of (Ottawa tried to as well, they're just not good enough to turn it into an advantage for them).

Haakanpaa is not the guy for that, at all. There are enough guys on the roster who bring the type of game he does. Carlo essentially made him irrelevant to the Leafs.
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Agreed, but I wonder if Carlo gets dealt for a forward help or picks. He seems like a somewhat better Holl, TBH.
 
herman said:
I still think it's okay to keep Hakanpaa as a spare because he's better than Myers as a fill-in.
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This certainly has merit but I'll give it to Myers, he tries to get pucks toward the net (too much, in fact). It's kind of jasonblakey but the concept of shooting into traffic is valid for a d-guy.
 
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