Allaire won't be back

[#1PilarFan]

Kyper's money is on Cujo;

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
With #Leafs goal coach Allaire on way out my bet is Curtis Joseph will be next goalie coach. Can anyone think of better guy who's available?

I don't know what Cujo knows about coaching goaltenders (maybe a lot) but he had such an unconventional, sloppy style, it's hard to believe he has a firm grasp of fundamentals.

 

[TML fan]

Kyper's money is on Cujo;

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
With #Leafs goal coach Allaire on way out my bet is Curtis Joseph will be next goalie coach. Can anyone think of better guy who's available?

I don't know what Cujo knows about coaching goaltenders (maybe a lot) but he had such an unconventional, sloppy style, it's hard to believe he has a firm grasp of fundamentals.

I don't think you make it as far as he did without a firm grasp of the fundamentals. Style is probably the least relevant factor in the makeup of a goalie. Allaire has coached some pretty great goalies, but I wonder if Allaire's success has more to do with them than it does with him.

 

[Frank E]

I'm trying to figure out if this is good news or bad news.

 

[TML fan]

I'm trying to figure out if this is good news or bad news.

It's probably just news.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm trying to figure out if this is good news or bad news.

Probably bad news for attracting young unsigned goaltending talent.

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

Kyper's money is on Cujo;

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
With #Leafs goal coach Allaire on way out my bet is Curtis Joseph will be next goalie coach. Can anyone think of better guy who's available?

I don't know what Cujo knows about coaching goaltenders (maybe a lot) but he had such an unconventional, sloppy style, it's hard to believe he has a firm grasp of fundamentals.

but he can teach them how to take out the referees!  ;D

 

[Fletch]

Kyper's money is on Cujo;

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
With #Leafs goal coach Allaire on way out my bet is Curtis Joseph will be next goalie coach. Can anyone think of better guy who's available?

I don't know what Cujo knows about coaching goaltenders (maybe a lot) but he had such an unconventional, sloppy style, it's hard to believe he has a firm grasp of fundamentals.

I don't think you make it as far as he did without a firm grasp of the fundamentals. Style is probably the least relevant factor in the makeup of a goalie. Allaire has coached some pretty great goalies, but I wonder if Allaire's success has more to do with them than it does with him.

I don't know about qualifications, but he has been doing the job on Dougie's Kingston Frontenacs team, along with head coach Todd "No Skill" Gill. 

http://www.kingstonfrontenacs.com/page/curtis-joseph

 

[maplesyrup]

Kyper's money is on Cujo;

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
With #Leafs goal coach Allaire on way out my bet is Curtis Joseph will be next goalie coach. Can anyone think of better guy who's available?

This really just sounds like Kipper lobbying for a friend to get the gig.

It's possible... Now this;

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
Told that Rick St. Croix is a front-runner to replace Allaire as Leafs goalie coach. Currently he's with St. John's IceCaps in AHL

 

[rdowdall]

Looks like the goalies didn't even know that he had been let go this morning when the media throng set in on them.  Reimer seemed a little taken a back, but did sort of hint that there may have been friction between Allaire in someone in management when he made a comment along the lines of "Maybe I don't want to comment to much on that right now, maybe some stuff went on behind the scene's, last year"

Around 32 seconds in to the "Caught Off Guard" video on TSN.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Yeah it sounds like Allaire had too many other people meddling with the goaltending situation and Reimer himself seems to hint at it too without getting himself into hot water with the organization. Best of luck to Allaire, can't say I blame him for not wanting anything to do with the Leafs management.

 

[Mike1]

Sounds like the fans werent the only ones blaming Allaire...doesnt sound like their is alot of solidarity in the front office either.

It makes you ask whether their was any method to the Burke madness when he hired all those guys.

 

[L K]

Allaire.. not leaving on terribly friendly terms.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/09/17/francois-allaire-quits-leafs-i-couldnt-do-my-job/

This indeed sounds troubling:

?To be honest, I don?t think the Leafs need a goalie coach,? Allaire, whose contract expired at the end of the season, said in a phone interview on Monday. ?I think they have enough of them. They have two or three guys who were making decisions with the goalies. In the NHL, that?s not the way it works.

?If that?s the way they want to operate, then I?m not there.?

:-X

Doesn't sound great, no.  But the flip side is that it is also a guy who didn't really produce stellar results blaming unnamed individuals and saying "not my fault".

 

[armche123]

You have a point there.. there may have been some madness there... but that's out there a little..

Sounds like the fans werent the only ones blaming Allaire...doesnt sound like their is alot of solidarity in the front office either.

It makes you ask whether their was any method to the Burke madness when he hired all those guys.

 

[Kin]

Just in general I think my inclination is to say that position coaches at the NHL are probably overrated. I highly doubt that a goalie coach is make or break.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Just in general I think my inclination is to say that position coaches at the NHL are probably overrated. I highly doubt that a goalie coach is make or break.

While I would tend to agree with a higher or lower talented player(ie; a goalie who is highly talented will have his talents shine through), I think the biggest difference would be made with middle of the road players. An average goalie would be affected(for good or bad) by a goalie coach with a certain inclination to having his tenders play a certain way. I am of the belief that when we saw Gustavsson really struggle over the last two years, it was a direct reflection of Allaire wanting him to play more positional and big then scrambling all over the place which is Gustavsson's natural style.

 

[Bender]

I would say it would take most of a season to make that judgment. My issue with Allaire stems from Toskala - and that's primarily due to the fact that Toskala was, at one point anyway, a decent goalie and it appeared to me as an outsider that Allaire was trying to take Toskala and change him into a different style completely - and to do that to a guy who has a certain style for 20+ years is pretty difficult. I do believe that Gus will do far better in Detroit - partially because of the team and because he will not be inundated with pressure as in Toronto.

Toskala was a mess as a Leaf well before Allaire was hired. He didn't even spend a full season as a Leaf with Allaire.

He was covered by a great SJ system for years. You can't blame Allaire for Toskala's career falling off a cliff everywhere else he played. He couldn't even cut it as a backup in euro leagues. I don't know how you blame Allaire for that, especially when all reports indicated his attitude was "meh" the whole time anyway.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Allaire.. not leaving on terribly friendly terms.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/09/17/francois-allaire-quits-leafs-i-couldnt-do-my-job/

This indeed sounds troubling:

?To be honest, I don?t think the Leafs need a goalie coach,? Allaire, whose contract expired at the end of the season, said in a phone interview on Monday. ?I think they have enough of them. They have two or three guys who were making decisions with the goalies. In the NHL, that?s not the way it works.

?If that?s the way they want to operate, then I?m not there.?

:-X

Plus tens of thousands of goalie 'experts' too. 

 

[Kin]

While I would tend to agree with a higher or lower talented player(ie; a goalie who is highly talented will have his talents shine through), I think the biggest difference would be made with middle of the road players. An average goalie would be affected(for good or bad) by a goalie coach with a certain inclination to having his tenders play a certain way.

You're probably right that good coaching can make a difference. I guess what I more meant is that I doubt that any one position coach in particular is going to make a huge difference as I'd imagine that there are a lot of good coaches available to an NHL team and that their ability to address solvable problems a player might have are largely going to be similar.

 

[Swede]

No loss here. Bring in Eddie the Eagle he was
a reflex goalie who grew old playing the game and adapted and grew into a very good positional goalie. Plus the Eagle was coached by the best goalie Russia had to offfer

 

[Corn Flake]

Burke is firing back at Allaire:

?I regret that I have to deal with this matter publicly but I feel the need to respond. Was there interference from the staff as he said there was? Yes. But it was done reluctantly and it was done to change elements of our goaltending that was sub-par.?

http://blog.mapleleafs.com/burke-blasts-performance-of-francois-allaire/