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Armchair GM Thread 2022-2023

I don't get it from Ottawa's prespective.

Getting rid of him with 50% of retention costs them 7.5M and 2 years of 3.125M cap hit vs 10M and cap hits of 1.75, 0.75, 2.5 and 2.5 with a buyout.

I don't think the retention scenario more favourable enough than the buyout to give up much of an asset. I'd just buy him out if I was Ottawa.
 
https://twitter.com/kevinweekes/status/1546255033314033664

I kid, but I think it would be fine too (just like I though Mrazek would be fine, mind you).

https://twitter.com/nrapatreon/status/1546198078071390209
 
Deebo said:
I don't get it from Ottawa's prespective.

Getting rid of him with 50% of retention costs them 7.5M and 2 years of 3.125M cap hit vs 10M and cap hits of 1.75, 0.75, 2.5 and 2.5 with a buyout.

I don't think the retention scenario more favourable enough than the buyout to give up much of an asset. I'd just buy him out if I was Ottawa.
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Could see them retaining the 25% they were reportedly willing to do with Buffalo and then getting a 3rd team to retain another chunk.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Deebo said:
I don't get it from Ottawa's prespective.

Getting rid of him with 50% of retention costs them 7.5M and 2 years of 3.125M cap hit vs 10M and cap hits of 1.75, 0.75, 2.5 and 2.5 with a buyout.

I don't think the retention scenario more favourable enough than the buyout to give up much of an asset. I'd just buy him out if I was Ottawa.
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Could see them retaining the 25% they were reportedly willing to do with Buffalo and then getting a 3rd team to retain another chunk.
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Real money means more to the Senators than cap space at this point.
 
Deebo said:
I don't get it from Ottawa's prespective.

Getting rid of him with 50% of retention costs them 7.5M and 2 years of 3.125M cap hit vs 10M and cap hits of 1.75, 0.75, 2.5 and 2.5 with a buyout.

I don't think the retention scenario more favourable enough than the buyout to give up much of an asset. I'd just buy him out if I was Ottawa.
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Keep in mind it's 15M in real dollars. Retaining 1/2 instead of buying out will save them an extra 2.5M in real money. Ott isn't the Leafs and have an internal budget.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Deebo said:
I don't get it from Ottawa's prespective.

Getting rid of him with 50% of retention costs them 7.5M and 2 years of 3.125M cap hit vs 10M and cap hits of 1.75, 0.75, 2.5 and 2.5 with a buyout.

I don't think the retention scenario more favourable enough than the buyout to give up much of an asset. I'd just buy him out if I was Ottawa.
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Keep in mind it's 15M in real dollars. Retaining 1/2 instead of buying out will save them an extra 2.5M in real money. Ott isn't the Leafs and have an internal budget.
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Yes. I mentioned real dollar cost too. 10M vs. 7.5M, the 10M would be over a longer period of time too. I still don't think that's worth a real high end asset for them.

But like Carlton mentioned, If they can retain less than 50% and they can save a more significant amount of money, then it starts to make more sense for them.
 
Deebo said:
Guilt Trip said:
Deebo said:
I don't get it from Ottawa's prespective.

Getting rid of him with 50% of retention costs them 7.5M and 2 years of 3.125M cap hit vs 10M and cap hits of 1.75, 0.75, 2.5 and 2.5 with a buyout.

I don't think the retention scenario more favourable enough than the buyout to give up much of an asset. I'd just buy him out if I was Ottawa.
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Keep in mind it's 15M in real dollars. Retaining 1/2 instead of buying out will save them an extra 2.5M in real money. Ott isn't the Leafs and have an internal budget.
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Yes. I mentioned real dollar cost too. 10M vs. 7.5M, the 7.5M would be over a longer period of time too. I still don't think that's worth a real high end asset for them.

But like Busta mentioned, If they can retain less than 50% and they can save a more significant amount of money, then it starts to make more sense for them.
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Murray gets paid 7 million this year and 8 million next year in real dollars, but the Senators can only retain 50% of the cap hit, which would be 3.125, so the Senators would only have to pay 6.25 million over the next 2 years in real dollars instead of the 15 million, or the 10 million.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Murray gets paid 7 million this year and 8 million next year in real dollars, but the Senators can only retain 50% of the cap hit, which would be 3.125, so the Senators would only have to pay 6.25 million over the next 2 years in real dollars instead of the 15 million, or the 10 million.
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They retain the same percentage of cap hit and salary.

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#retained

What is a retained salary transaction/trade

When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:

The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player?s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
The same percentage must be retained for both the player?s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
All teams are limited to a maximum of 3 retained salary contracts per season.
Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the Salary Cap Upper Limit.
Players? contracts are limited to 2 retained salary transactions per contract.
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herman said:
https://twitter.com/marklazerus/status/1546184071608508418
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Why aren't they qualifying these guys? Kubalik seemed to be pretty decent?
 
Dubas picks up Murray I don?t know what he?s thinking. Be another Mrazek f up. In this predicament because never drafted or picked up an actual bonafide starter. Campbell wasn?t proven and debate still out there if he can lead a team to a Stanley Cup.
 
I think some people are just going to have to accept that short of drafting and developing a top flight #1 goalie or paying a reasonable market rate for one(8+ million at least) there's never going to be an easy or simple way to "fix" a team's goaltending. Every move is either going to be aiming low or have risks.
 
Guilt Trip said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I'll genuinely be bothered if we don't sign him at this point.
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He is buddies with McD so there's a chance he could go there. Guess it will depend on the ask.
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Then he'll probably want to be here when McDavid signs with the Leafs in a couple of years.
 
After reading that article on Strome, he just doesn?t sound like a prototypical Dubas-type player. Slow foot speed and subpar defensive instincts. (Well maybe the subpar defensive instincts)
 
RedLeaf said:
After reading that article on Strome, he just doesn?t sound like a prototypical Dubas-type player. Slow foot speed and subpar defensive instincts. (Well maybe the subpar defensive instincts)
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I think if there's one particular thing that Dubas values over all else it's hockey sense, and Strome is often praised for having that in spades. The other things are always somewhat fixable to some degree with proper coaching/development, and we also know that Dubas loves a project to work on.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
RedLeaf said:
After reading that article on Strome, he just doesn?t sound like a prototypical Dubas-type player. Slow foot speed and subpar defensive instincts. (Well maybe the subpar defensive instincts)
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I think if there's one particular thing that Dubas values over all else it's hockey sense, and Strome is often praised for having that in spades. The other things are always somewhat fixable to some degree with proper coaching/development, and we also know that Dubas loves a project to work on.
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Yup. Brains and raw physical tools are what the team seems to focus on. Strome has those. His speed is less of a concern if his line mates are good skaters, as long as he?s able to get back defensively.
 
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