Guilt Trip
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I think Dubas should absolutely burn a 1st to try and go far.
Armchair GM Thread 2022-2023
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OldTimeHockey
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I don't know this player(at all), but is he the type of player you want to burn a 1st round draft pick on?
Guilt Trip
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Don't know a lot about him but he's a PKer, plays roughly 22mins per game, has 10 pts, is only a -3, not a big hitter, decent shot blocker, is 27, 6'3", 221lbs and earns 2.8M. Now if they can sign him to a reasonable cap hit, I think they do it.OldTimeHockey said:
Here's a lil blurb I read about him.....
Gavrikov won?t ever blow you away with his offensive numbers. That?s not why he?s going to take this blueline to new heights. He plays his defensive defenseman role to perfection. He isn?t just good, he?s elite at it.
Guilt Trip
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I don't want him using it on a rental but for the right player, you absolutely trade it. I would trade it for Lawson Crouse.Nik said:
Kin
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Guilt Trip said:
I guess I would clarify that to my reading using a first round pick on a player with years of team control doesn't really constitute "burning it" but that's it just a straight up trade with the multi-year purpose of improving the team, not to go far in one particular playoff season.
That said I still think the team needs a major re-investment into its farm system.
Guilt Trip
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They def do but they also need to go for it and if the chance is there to improve the team now and in the future, everything must be considered. There's a rumour out there that the Leafs are kicking the tires on Jake McCabe out of Chicago who will be selling the farm soon. 2 more years at 4M after this one. Makes me wonder if they could get Murphy out of them. He has 3 more at 4.4M.Nik said:
It really all depends what the 1st is burned for. If it's part of something to bring in a lot of talent or if there's cost control somewhere then sure, but ideally not a pure rental and not a bottom six guy. We do need to replenish the farm, but I also think where the Leafs are picking its still a crap shoot.
Kin
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Bender said:
1. The whole point of investing a lot into scouting and development is that it becomes less of a crapshoot than it is for other teams.
2. If by "crapshoot" the implication is that it is luck based an ironclad truth of probability is that you have better odds to roll the number you're looking for the more throws you have.
Also, I mean, I really think it should be taken as a given that all of these statements are fairly conditional based on the posssible return. But that said, if we're still using "burned" to mean a short term attempt to slightly(and realistically all but the most unrealistic trade scenarios will only increase odds slightly) improve the team's odds in this year's playoffs then, no, I really don't think it depends much.
Guilt Trip
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Def not...rentals are fine, just not for anything substantial, especially a high pick.Bill_Berg_is_sad said:
Frank E
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Look, I'm a proponent adding a big piece given they accrued some space and the East is a dogfight...but I don't think too many articles get read which suggest that the Leafs stand pat, cross their fingers, and hope for the best.
Not doing anything of substance and just adding Knies is a lot of pressure to put on the kid, but maybe it's what's best for the team's averaged out chances over the next couple of seasons?
Is there even a middle ground though that is defensible at a press conference Dubas takes after a first round exit?
Kin
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I think the comparison to the Avs actually sort of highlights where I'm coming from. Last year, in their pursuit of a cup, the Avs dealt away effectively their entire draft. They did that, in part, because they didn't need a significant talent injection into their farm system. I really think it's important people understand just how stark the contrast is. In the four years prior to last years draft the Avs had these top 100 picks in the draft:
4, 16, 16, 25, 28, 47, 61, 63, 64, 75, 78, 92, 94
By contrast if the Leafs trade away their top picks in this year's draft over the last four years the Leafs top 100 picks are:
15, 38, 53, 57, 59, 64, 84, 95
And, while of course through no fault of the team's, that 15th overall pick is effectively not in the system(Get well soon Rodion!). So right now the top Leafs pick of the last four years would be the 6th highest pick in Colorado's four year pre-cup run in addition to having only barely more than half as many top 100 picks as the Avs had in that time. The gulf between the Leafs and Tampa in similar spans isn't quite as wide but it's there as well.
This isn't a "The Leafs shouldn't spend" position. This is a "At some point the Leafs have to stop spending" position.
