Bozak Signs 5 Years - $21 Million
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mr grieves
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Potvin29 said:
It was a weird presser. "Wasn't about Bozak or Grabovski" but bought out Grabovski to give Bozak has money -- and send the $1.3M left over to Clarkson, who, we're already being warned, might not produce on the ice but will in the locker room. You know, like Army. Or Komi.
I know this much: since before the draft Nonis has been talking up the need to get deeper and better at center, Dreger and others have reported he was in on everything around the looking "determined" to get a center upgrade, and Grabbo's money and roster spot was freed to get a center upgrade, and he went out and got... Tyler... Bozak?
How is that anything other than disappointing?
There's really nothing good to say about this crop of centers relative to the last season's other than we'll have slightly better price performance with a shutdown C at ~$3M. The best thing anyone can say about the Bozak resigning is that it's not terrible and maybe now we'll get to pay him and Kessel ~$13M.
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Frank E said:
Yes honestly. You know those people in this thread who've said things about the Bozak signing that was markedly more positive than "it wasn't terrible"? Wrong. Stupid idiots who probably don't even know about behindthenet.ca and how they've cracked hockey like an egg.
People excited about Bolland? You'd think they'd never even heard of relative CORSI. Losers.
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Frank E said:
No I wouldn't and I've said I wouldn't. Play Grabovski as many minutes with Kessel as Bozak did and I'd bet anything Grabovski would be outscoring Bozak more than he already is. I'll try to lie if it will help stop getting your diapers in a knot.
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Frank E said:
That's something you'll have to figure out on your own time.
mr grieves
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Nik the Trik said:
Yes. Because it takes a Excel spreadsheet to show Tyler Bozak isn't an upgrade on Tyler Bozak.
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Frank E said:
One last time why I would rather Grabovski at his hit than Bozak at his.
Last 3 seasons at 5-on-5 (much bigger sample size):
Grabovski: 2870 mins, 0.89 goals per 60 mins, 0.96 assists per 60 mins, 1.860 points per 60
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=55
Bozak: 2864 mins, 0.56 G/60, 0.78 A/60, 1.34 pts/60
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1204
Grabovski played the overwhelming majority of his minutes with MacArthur and Kulemin.
Bozak played the overwhelming majority of his minutes with Kessel and Lupul/JVR.
Grabovski produces more with less, and I'd much rather have him continue to do that for the Leafs than Bozak. Simple as that.
EDIT: Cleaned up the quotes a little.
And adding this: "Advanced stats" is a misnomer - there's nothing advanced about them. They're just stats. Those are just stats calculated from available figures, it's just presenting more stats. Good to use in context and to colour a situation to get a better overall picture.
mr grieves
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Frank E said:
Well, there was usual bunch who confuse making Kessel happier with making him better... there was the guy who thought he was fast... someone else thought he could play between Clarkson and Lupul... and I'm sure someone brought up his excellent penalty killing skills... So, yeah, sorry. I eliminated the stuff that didn't stand up to any scrutiny.
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mr grieves said:
I'm just trying to use these stats to show why I don't like these things, and if others do or don't believe in it then that's their choice. If I'm questioned on it, then I will respond why I believe strongly in it.
Crap like that above is just sad, tbh. Lashing out needlessly at others because they're daring to argue their positions.
You unfortunately have a shadow.
#1PilarFan said:
Kadri will pretty soon overtake Bozak as the number one guy, meaning Bozie will fall to number two, right where he should be. Then the Leafs will have Kadri, Bozie, Bolland and McClement. Not too shabby a fit in my mind. They are also trying to add some size around them. Kadri is listed at 6' 188 pounds. Steve Yzerman was 5'11" 185. Sakic was 5'11 195 and they managed to carve out pretty decent careers. Not saying Kadri will achieve that level of success, but he certain has a great skill set, a bit of an edge, and a lot of confidence. I think the maturation he had to go through, and still will under Carlyle, could turn him into something special.
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Nik the Trik said:
You do love the strawman.
I was only looking for Nonis to be as good as his ambitions: get deeper and better at center.
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Potvin29 said:
I don't think Grabbo fit in with the coach and his philosophy.
I don't think this was about his skill level.
Sometimes you fire a guy that's got talent, but just doesn't fit in with the rest of your team.
Having said that, I'll stand by taking Bozak at $1.3m less money...but something tells me that Grabbo was gone, Bozak or no Bozak.
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mr grieves said:
And a lot of people think he's done that with replacing Grabo with Bolland. You don't and that's fine but once Lecavalier signed there was no clear upgrade on Bozak down the middle available as a UFA. Signing Bozak doesn't mean that Bozak is going to be the #1 center for ever and ever and ever, it just means that for right now the status quo there is better than just going with Kadri and Bolland.
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Frank E said:
Maybe, but Carlyle is also the coach who didn't think Lupul could play a certain wing in Anaheim and he came here and excelled at that spot. Grabovski was never given a chance to be the #1 C like Bozak did so we'll never know. And yeah, he may have been gone regardless, but that doesn't make me feel better about it - I truly believe we kept a worse player when we could have kept the better player, even with the salary difference.
He can prove me wrong with his play, though.
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