bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
Yeah. I mean, it would be one thing if we were talking about a coach with a strong recent history of success with the team, but, we're not. An extension like this needed to be earned, and it was not.
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Yeah. I mean, it would be one thing if we were talking about a coach with a strong recent history of success with the team, but, we're not. An extension like this needed to be earned, and it was not.
Patrick said:
Bingo. The only thing I ever heard from the talking heads during the game is Carlyle's "line-matching" ability. Really.
Any idiot (now proven) can throw Phaneuf out when "x" superstar is on the ice. I liked his bench management - you know - 4th line with energy players, the same lineup and strategies through the losing streak and...I could go on and on but feel like puking. By any statistical analysis he should be FIRED.
It's really no wonder the Leafs have been and will continue to be the laughing stock of the NHL. And yes I am aware of the Islanders. You might have included the Sabres except for the fact they actually tanked and have about 100 draft picks in the next 2 years.
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The idea behind the "lame duck" coach is that a player knows that an organization isn't all that keen on firing their coach so a player-coach dispute is more likely to involve getting rid of that player. If the player doesn't want to get dealt and the coach isn't leaving, he would then work to resolve his issues with the coach or, at the very least, not play like crap in an effort to speed the coach's firing along. It's actually more important when a coach doesn't have the strongest track record because, again, it has to do with a player's perception of how the organization feels about the coach.
The guys on the Leafs aren't stupid(or, at least, their agents aren't. They would know that if Carlyle came back with only a year left on his deal that it would be a pretty good sign that the organization would have a quick trigger on firing him.
The guys on the Leafs aren't stupid(or, at least, their agents aren't. They would know that if Carlyle came back with only a year left on his deal that it would be a pretty good sign that the organization would have a quick trigger on firing him.
Let the gutting of this inept/garbage team of players begin. No one is untouchable in my mind (Not Kessel, not Bernier).
I believe this is what truly needed to happen. The teams core players were not good enough or not playing when we needed them the most - plain and simple.
I believe this is what truly needed to happen. The teams core players were not good enough or not playing when we needed them the most - plain and simple.
GhostofPotvin29
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I'm sure that's consolation to them. Carlyle also continuing to use "mindboggling" and "confusing" to describe the team's failures. That's what you like to hear from the coach.
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bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
I love it when the coach says things that make it look like he doesn't understand why the team failed. Give the man another extension!
After Wilson extensions are obviously essentially meaningless, but I honestly can't believe that they gave him one at this time. Speechless. Aside from that this is what I figured would happen. He stays and assistants go.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Burke made Ron Wilson hire new assistant's, How'd that go?
I wonder if the plan is to surround Carlyle with assistants that could be head coaches elsewhere and try and have a coaching dream team of sorts...I know I'm reaching, but maybe they give blank checks to a few big name assistants.
I wonder if the plan is to surround Carlyle with assistants that could be head coaches elsewhere and try and have a coaching dream team of sorts...I know I'm reaching, but maybe they give blank checks to a few big name assistants.
bustaheims
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pmrules said:
No, but he definitely could have come up with something that didn't boil down to him admitting that he didn't know what went wrong or why it went wrong.
RedLeaf said:
Maybe he's setting them up for a common departure.
I don't see any quick fix here. The contracts and talent problem is bigger than the coaching problem. I'm convinced of that.
They might make the playoffs next year and they might not. If they fall short without major injuries excuses, I think Nonis & Carlyle will both be gone. And the real Shanahan era will begin.
The better bang for their talent buck players are generally free agents so they have a bit of a challenge to even stay where they are. I look at their situation and don't see an easy way out to become a real contender. Their top 5 paid forwards are locked in for at least four more years. Their top 3 paid dmen are locked in for at least two more years. And they've effectively made a commitment to Bernier.
They've burned their compliance buyouts.
They've spent $48 mil on 12 they're committed to next year
They've got $23 mil left to sign 11 more
So they're already cap constrained to not being able to do much in acquiring an impact player - if he's willing to come to a roster that doesn't look so hot.
Carlyle arguably underachieved and so those calling for his head have my sympathy. But I don't think Trotz or Tortorella or whoever is going to be able to make that much of a meaningful difference - not nearly as much as getting better talent for their NHL coach to work with.
In a year or two, when the Burke-Nonis retooling plan is more apparent that it's not very likely to pan out, the "real" Shanahan era will begin.
Nik the Trik said:
I kinda figured they'd approach that problem a couple of months into the season, like with Wilson. If the team is playing well extend him, if not dump him.
Again, it doesn't really matter the contract isn't going to stop the team from firing him if they feel like doing so. But giving him an extra 2 years instead of just 1 is pretty precious.
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