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Kind of a scathing article about Nylander:

https://tipofthetower.com/2018/10/20/toronto-maple-leafs-william-nylander-no-win-situation/

There is a wide-held belief around the league that the Swedish international?s father is having too much of an influence on him. Michael Nylander had a reputation from his playing days of being awkward to negotiate contracts with.  This now also seems to be the case with Nylander?s son. And this is not reflecting well with people around the league.
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The point is, what happens if we reach a stage where a trade does become a feasible possibility? Nylander could really find himself in a tough sport.

The 2014 eighth overall draft pick theoretically still not get his $8 million per season, regardless of where he ends up. In addition, he could also land on a team in a much worse position than the Leafs, in respect of their ability to realistically challenge both short and long-term for the Stanley Cup.
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Basically, the sense I'm getting is that if the Leafs wind up caving and paying Nylander $8+ million, it will become impossible for them to trade him.

Call me crazy but I think I would have Nylander sit out for the season before I would pay him $8 million.
 
Article was a whole lot of nothing that hasn't been said before. Nylander has zero power here. The Leafs can't cave and won't pay him 8 mill. Not with M&M up with Gardiner. I say it gets done this week and we'll see what happens with the other guys.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Article was a whole lot of nothing that hasn't been said before. Nylander has zero power here. The Leafs can't cave and won't pay him 8 mill. Not with M&M up with Gardiner. I say it gets done this week and we'll see what happens with the other guys.
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Predictions are difficult, especially about the future.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
With every passing game ? fair or not ? Nylander? importance to the team is diminishing.
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So gonna go ahead and assume this guy did not watch the past 2 games.
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Nylander's importance hasn't diminished. The Leafs would still be a good team whether they were without any of Nylander, Matthews, Marner, Kadri, Rielly, Tavares. They are a much better team with all of those players.
 
I am going to remain optimistic about a long-term deal. Prediction: 6 x $6.75M signed Wednesday with Nylander's first game Saturday in Toronto versus Winnipeg.

Other prediction: Nylander's switch agents.
 
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Mine is also blocked, however I root my Internet with my mobile.
 
All of this "he listens too much to his father" or "he should get new agents" just sounds like the exact same paternalistic and gossipy horsecrap we always hear when athletes stake out firm positions.

It's never because they're actually firm in their convictions, oh no, it's just that they've been held under the terrible sway of some svengali like agent or union chief or advisor who isn't looking out for their best interests. You know, like their team is. After all the teams aren't acting out of their own self-interest, no sir. They're just so gosh darn competitive.

I'm sure William Nylander has talked to his father about his situation and my guess is that Michael Nylander is qualified like very few people on the planet to tell his son that the "Just take a little less for the good of the team" stuff is entirely a one way street, never to be reciprocated.

That said, I'm pretty sure William can come to the conclusion that he wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth all by himself.
 
Nik the Trik said:
All of this "he listens too much to his father" or "he should get new agents" just sounds like the exact same paternalistic and gossipy horsecrap we always hear when athletes stake out firm positions.

It's never because they're actually firm in their convictions, oh no, it's just that they've been held under the terrible sway of some svengali like agent or union chief or advisor who isn't looking out for their best interests. You know, like their team is. After all the teams aren't acting out of their own self-interest, no sir. They're just so gosh darn competitive.

I'm sure William Nylander has talked to his father about his situation and my guess is that Michael Nylander is qualified like very few people on the planet to tell his son that the "Just take a little less for the good of the team" stuff is entirely a one way street, never to be reciprocated.

That said, I'm pretty sure William can come to the conclusion that he wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth all by himself.
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Nylander is exercising his right, as are the Leafs.  It's hard to be too hard on the guy when he's not even getting paid right now.  The bottom line is that Nylander doesn't have to work for $6.5 million per season, and the Leafs have absolutely no obligation to pay him $8 million.

The big problem here is that the bulk of the power rests with Dubas and with the team.  The Leafs are in first place and selling out every game whereas Nylander currently has no income.

The other problem for Nylander is that this can damage his reputation around the league and make him look difficult to deal with.  Fair or not people judge him based on what people say about his father.  So with this type of thing happening it's just going to make people think that Nylander is selfish and difficult, just like his father.  I'm not saying it's fair or that it's even valid or accurate.  It's just what's going to happen.
 
Good news hopefully:

https://twitter.com/mikeinbuffalo/status/1054405041979826176

It's a good sign the two sides are talking.  This is encouraging.
 
That's what's happening, right or wrong. Gord Miller said today Nylander is in a bad spot here. He's being perceived this way because he's the only RFA not to sign yet and from all accounts is asking too much. He can request a trade but problem is, he still won't get the money he wants and he could end up on a crappy team. I think as much as the Leafs want him back now or in the future it will have zero effect on what they're going to offer him. I think the cement is hardening on that front. Time to sign for him because he will never get what he thinks he should.
 
Bobert has some words

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2018/10/22/leafs-links-bob-mckenzie-i-dont-think-the-thought-of-trading-nylander-at-this-point-in-time-has-even-crossed-the-mind-of-the-toronto-maple-leafs-and-kyle-dubas/
 
Nik the Trik said:
All of this "he listens too much to his father" or "he should get new agents" just sounds like the exact same paternalistic and gossipy horsecrap we always hear when athletes stake out firm positions.

It's never because they're actually firm in their convictions, oh no, it's just that they've been held under the terrible sway of some svengali like agent or union chief or advisor who isn't looking out for their best interests. You know, like their team is. After all the teams aren't acting out of their own self-interest, no sir. They're just so gosh darn competitive.

I'm sure William Nylander has talked to his father about his situation and my guess is that Michael Nylander is qualified like very few people on the planet to tell his son that the "Just take a little less for the good of the team" stuff is entirely a one way street, never to be reciprocated.

That said, I'm pretty sure William can come to the conclusion that he wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth all by himself.
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And maybe he?s receiving bad advice. Gross? two biggest clients have been holdouts which is a fact.

?Paternalistic and gossipy horsecrap?... in the usual abrasive Nik style. This whole thread is just that, 100% speculation including your opinion.
 
Guilt Trip said:
That's what's happening, right or wrong. Gord Miller said today Nylander is in a bad spot here. He's being perceived this way because he's the only RFA not to sign yet and from all accounts is asking too much. He can request a trade but problem is, he still won't get the money he wants and he could end up on a crappy team. I think as much as the Leafs want him back now or in the future it will have zero effect on what they're going to offer him. I think the cement is hardening on that front. Time to sign for him because he will never get what he thinks he should.
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Except this whole ?bad spot? thing is entirely premised on what Nylander is rumoured to be asking, without regard for what the Leafs May be offering.

If we go back to the Sportsnet article quoting execs saying he was asking to much, there was a Kypreos suggestion the Leafs were offering 4 years at under $20m total... I.e less than $5m per. If that?s the case, maybe it?s not Nylander who is responsible for the impasse.
 
sickbeast said:
The big problem here is that the bulk of the power rests with Dubas and with the team.  The Leafs are in first place and selling out every game whereas Nylander currently has no income.
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Since Michael Nylander made over $25m as an NHL player (the bulk after gaining his reputation for being difficult), and William has already made around $3M, I doubt William?s lack of income is presenting the cash flow problems that you or I might experience in a similar position.

The other problem for Nylander is that this can damage his reputation around the league and make him look difficult to deal with.  Fair or not people judge him based on what people say about his father.  So with this type of thing happening it's just going to make people think that Nylander is selfish and difficult, just like his father.  I'm not saying it's fair or that it's even valid or accurate.  It's just what's going to happen.
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I believe that was Nik?s point. That?s what appears to be happening, even though we haven?t really got enough facts to make that judgement.

Nylander is in a negotiation where the difference in ask/offer is purportedly more money than most of us will make in our lifetimes. His next contract will be as well, regardless of his ?reputation?. Reputation in the context above simply isn?t material enough to be a consideration for Nylander.
 
Guilt Trip said:
That's what's happening, right or wrong. Gord Miller said today Nylander is in a bad spot here. He's being perceived this way because he's the only RFA not to sign yet and from all accounts is asking too much. He can request a trade but problem is, he still won't get the money he wants and he could end up on a crappy team. I think as much as the Leafs want him back now or in the future it will have zero effect on what they're going to offer him. I think the cement is hardening on that front. Time to sign for him because he will never get what he thinks he should.
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I don't think as fans we can, or should, just dismiss the fact that whatever narrative comes out of this is one that we have an influence on. Especially when in this thread there are people looking to push some of the same nonsense.

Nylander isn't being perceived in any one way as is pretty clear from the variety of opinions here and I think anything coming from league sources is just self-interested noise. I don't think many of them would let their "perception" in any way influence their decision making if they thought Nylander could help their team just like for all of the noise being made about it, Nylander's father enjoyed a long and successful NHL career despite the supposed difficulty there.
 
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