Contracts for the Big-3
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IJustLurkHere
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Nik the Trik said:
Is there any reason to believe an ask of $8Mx 3?
There?s good reason bridged deals come with that deep discount.
Kin
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IJustLurkHere said:
I said that "might" be "closer to the truth than we might think". Not "Yes, that is certainly what a shorter term contract will come in at".
I agree it's unlikely that Nylander comes in at 8 million on a bridge deal but, again, I think that might be closer to the number than people think. Unless I'm mistaken it's been some time since a player like Nylander has signed a short term deal and in that time I think we've seen a general shift in how second contracts work. I think that might end up holding true for bridge deals as well.
So 8m per, I agree, seems unlikely. But 6.5 or 6.75 per wouldn't shock me.
Guilt Trip
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I'd be shocked if he signed a bridge deal for anything over 6.5 million per for 4 or less years. Still the only solution if Nylander wants to remain a Leaf, he drops his asking price. I don't see the Leafs moving on theirs, at least not as much as Nylander would like.
As for anyone signing a bridge deal. Kucherov signed his bridge deal after 65 and 66 point seasons before the 2016-17 season.
As for anyone signing a bridge deal. Kucherov signed his bridge deal after 65 and 66 point seasons before the 2016-17 season.
Kin
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Guilt Trip said:
Right. So a similar deal to Kucherov cap % wise would be 5.1 million. Then toss in that Nylander apparently wants to paid more like a C and less like a winger, the difference in tax situations and the shift towards paying RFA's a closer approximation of what their market value might be and I think that's how you get into 6.5 territory.
I get that people will see that number and think it falls outside the line of what Nylander "should" get or "deserves" but let's not pretend that isn't true with his long-term ask as well.
Looked up Lewis Gross... looks like he's got a few notable clients. Torey Krug, Johnny Hockey, and both Nylander's. Rasmus Sandin also a client. I don't know how this portfolio compares to other agents but the fact his two biggest clients were holdouts... maybe he sucks at his job. Maybe this should be a story so this guy comes up with a better approach.
https://spmsports.com/spm-clients/
To his credit, I would say his best contract would be Brandon Saad. Also impressed with the Orpik trade-buyout-resign maneuver.
Let's go Sportsnet and TSN (Leaf Owners) call this guy out. Put some pressure on the agent. Use your assets to get this done. Some outside of the box ideas may be needed.
https://spmsports.com/spm-clients/
To his credit, I would say his best contract would be Brandon Saad. Also impressed with the Orpik trade-buyout-resign maneuver.
Let's go Sportsnet and TSN (Leaf Owners) call this guy out. Put some pressure on the agent. Use your assets to get this done. Some outside of the box ideas may be needed.
Hobbes
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Nik the Trik said:
Kucherov perhaps? I would take him over Nylander every day of the week, but the difference isn't all that extreme.
He is currently on the last year of a 3 year bridge deal at an aav of $4,766,667 (structured for the final year to be $5.5m which would push up the minimum qualifying offer) and he has now signed an extension for 8 x $9.5m that kicks in next year.
The bridge was 6.53% of the cap in the year it was signed (his new deal will be around 11%) so a comparable figure for Nylander would be $5,191,350. I could see Willy asking for somewhere in the range of 3x$6.5M but I would expect Dubas would be wanting something much closer to $5m.
The only other signing that's even close to relevant would be Sam Reinhart who agreed to a 2 year bridge last summer at $3.65m (4.6% of cap). Nylander's obviously a step above him though.
EDIT: comparables
https://www.capfriendly.com/comparables/custom/forwards/standard-contracts/rfa/rfa/current-cba&caphit=3000000&type=2&position=3&aav=&month=7&day=1&year=2010&age=21&length=3&signing_status=1&expiry_status=1&arb_elig=0&arb_req=&handed=&gp=&pts=
Kin
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Hobbes said:
Yeah. I think their years are pretty comparable heading into their second contracts. There are some considerations that play to Kucherov's favour(more of a goal scorer, a few more points) and some things that work for Nylander(younger, more of a C). As per usual with Nylander's comps there are some consistencies like Kucherov not playing with anyone as good as Matthews(except on the PP) but also not playing with someone like Hyman. Kucherov also did it with some more ice time and significantly more PP time.
I don't know. I'd love it if Nylander took a 3 year/15 million dollar deal but what I've seen so far in this negotiation says that may not be the way he leans.
Guilt Trip
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I don't see a bridge under $6 million per regardless of what Kucherov did. It does represent a comparable tho for Dubas and he can actually come in and say Kuckerov got 6.53% of the cap, we'll offer say 8%. I still think he signs soon. It does Nylander absolutely no good to sit. He has zero power here.
https://twitter.com/JesseGranger_/status/1053405921727078406
Tuch scored 37 points in 76 games last season at the age of 21, his first full year in the NHL. When we look at comparables for Nylander I know we often focus on guys in the $6-8mil range, but I'm sure Nylander is looking at a contract like that and thinking "the Leafs want to sign me for only 1.5mil more than Alex freakin' Tuch?!"
Tuch scored 37 points in 76 games last season at the age of 21, his first full year in the NHL. When we look at comparables for Nylander I know we often focus on guys in the $6-8mil range, but I'm sure Nylander is looking at a contract like that and thinking "the Leafs want to sign me for only 1.5mil more than Alex freakin' Tuch?!"
IJustLurkHere
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Nik the Trik said:
No problem - wasn't asking you to plant your flag on that hill and defend it forever more, just thought I might have missed some news.
My worry is Nylander might dig in and make it a test case for 2nd contracts... but otherwise, the shift I think we've seen is that teams and players are both more willing to skip the bridge and go straight to long term. In that case, where the player sells UFA years, they are going to (fairly) expect to get paid UFA rates. In Nylander (or any 2nd contract) situation, there's still little leverage beyond "I might go play in the KHL". If Nylander wants to sign his $8+ deal in a few years, he needs to be playing in the NHL.
Though he's not a fwd comparable, the guy I've been thinking of contract wise is Trouba. Story was he wanted an $8M deal for a long term signature, Winnipeg is/was reluctant. I think he kind of works as well because if we were to trade Nylander, Trouba is on the short list of guys where it may be worthwhile.
Trouba was awarded $5.5 in arbitration (1 year deal).
Guilt Trip
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Rival GMs are saying it because he isn't worth 8. He's not worth 7 in my books. Pastrnak money is the absolute most he should get. Pastrnak was almost a point per game player when he signed his deal just before last season started and Nylander's ask is apparently 1.5+ mill more? Have a seat.
hockeyfan1
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Zee said:
Happy Birthday, Zee! ☺
Phileas Fogg
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herman said:
Haha no. He's a 6M player, playing on a line with a generational talent giving him 8M statistics.
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