Contracts for the Big-3

[herman]

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/10/23/18003424/toronto-maple-leafs-nylander-matthews-marner-kyle-dubas-salary-cap-kadri-zaitsev-marleau-brown

What if the Big 3 all get what their max projected asks are, and the cap only goes up the minimum $2M? Will the Leafs be able to still be competitive?

Yes, but we will have to shed some players. That's fine as long as they're not players from the core.

Cap casualties that wouldn't bother me: Zaitsev, Hainsey, Marleau, Leivo, Gauthier, Brown
Cap casualties that would make me cringe, but ultimately shrug off: Hyman, Gardiner, Kadri*, Johnsson, Kapanen

* Losing Kadri is sub-optimal, and is predicated on finding a suitable 3C. An alternative to directly sourcing a 3C is landing or developing a winger that brings you 85%+ of Nylander's positive affect on Matthews, and running Nylander as sheltered scoring 3C, but good luck finding that cheaper than Kadri.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/DylanFremlin/status/1054752968195502080

MLHS broke the Tavares signing technically... did a TLN author just get the scoop on Nylander? Maybe. Probably not. We'll see.

edit: the 2nd tweet he's referring to says that the info came from someone within a NHL hockey ops front office.

 

[ZBBM]

https://twitter.com/DylanFremlin/status/1054752968195502080

MLHS broke the Tavares signing technically... did a TLN author just get the scoop on Nylander? Maybe. Probably not. We'll see.

edit: the 2nd tweet he's referring to says that the info came from someone within a NHL hockey ops front office.

MLHS didn't just technically break the JT signing, they were like an hour ahead of everyone else.

 

[Bender]

I miss my Willy.

Do not touch willie. Good advice!

 

[herman]

I miss my Willy.

https://twitter.com/DylanFremlin/status/954874731043450880

 

[Frank E]

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/10/23/18003424/toronto-maple-leafs-nylander-matthews-marner-kyle-dubas-salary-cap-kadri-zaitsev-marleau-brown

What if the Big 3 all get what their max projected asks are, and the cap only goes up the minimum $2M? Will the Leafs be able to still be competitive?

Yes, but we will have to shed some players. That's fine as long as they're not players from the core.

Cap casualties that wouldn't bother me: Zaitsev, Hainsey, Marleau, Leivo, Gauthier, Brown
Cap casualties that would make me cringe, but ultimately shrug off: Hyman, Gardiner, Kadri*, Johnsson, Kapanen

* Losing Kadri is sub-optimal, and is predicated on finding a suitable 3C. An alternative to directly sourcing a 3C is landing or developing a winger that brings you 85%+ of Nylander's positive affect on Matthews, and running Nylander as sheltered scoring 3C, but good luck finding that cheaper than Kadri.

The article fails to mention that Pittsburgh, LA, TB, CHI, all had a star or 2 on low AAV deals, and that's why they didn't have to trade them.

And Tampa hasn't won a Cup yet with their current'ish crew.

If we just care about keeping the big-3 at this point, then sure, it's obviously possible to get 3 guys under contract...it's obviously technically possible.

And this "get rid of Marleau's contract" stuff has got to stop.  He's got an NMC, and I would't blame him for exercising it.

I'm just not sure that they can win anything meaningful with those 3 plus Tavares taking up over half the salary cap for the foreseeable future.  It looks as though Dubas agrees as well.

 

[dappleganger]

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/10/23/18003424/toronto-maple-leafs-nylander-matthews-marner-kyle-dubas-salary-cap-kadri-zaitsev-marleau-brown

What if the Big 3 all get what their max projected asks are, and the cap only goes up the minimum $2M? Will the Leafs be able to still be competitive?

Yes, but we will have to shed some players. That's fine as long as they're not players from the core.

Cap casualties that wouldn't bother me: Zaitsev, Hainsey, Marleau, Leivo, Gauthier, Brown
Cap casualties that would make me cringe, but ultimately shrug off: Hyman, Gardiner, Kadri*, Johnsson, Kapanen

* Losing Kadri is sub-optimal, and is predicated on finding a suitable 3C. An alternative to directly sourcing a 3C is landing or developing a winger that brings you 85%+ of Nylander's positive affect on Matthews, and running Nylander as sheltered scoring 3C, but good luck finding that cheaper than Kadri.

The article fails to mention that Pittsburgh, LA, TB, CHI, all had a star or 2 on low AAV deals, and that's why they didn't have to trade them.

And Tampa hasn't won a Cup yet with their current'ish crew.

If we just care about keeping the big-3 at this point, then sure, it's obviously possible to get 3 guys under contract...it's obviously technically possible.

And this "get rid of Marleau's contract" stuff has got to stop.  He's got an NMC, and I would't blame him for exercising it.

I'm just not sure that they can win anything meaningful with those 3 plus Tavares taking up over half the salary cap for the foreseeable future.  It looks as though Dubas agrees as well.

I think they can and will.

 

[princedpw]

https://twitter.com/DylanFremlin/status/1054752968195502080

MLHS broke the Tavares signing technically... did a TLN author just get the scoop on Nylander? Maybe. Probably not. We'll see.

edit: the 2nd tweet he's referring to says that the info came from someone within a NHL hockey ops front office.

MLHS didn't just technically break the JT signing, they were like an hour ahead of everyone else.

Is there any any evidence they didn't just guess on Tavares?  (Did they accurately specify the contract details, for instance?)

 

[princedpw]

I'm assuming fake news until I see a McKenzie tweet.

 

[herman]

MLHS didn't just technically break the JT signing, they were like an hour ahead of everyone else.

Is there any any evidence they didn't just guess on Tavares?  (Did they accurately specify the contract details, for instance?)

Anthony talked about the details of breaking that news on their podcast. They didn't mention contract details, but his source was the one that brought him the heads up on Dominic Moore's signing as well as David Clarkson. There was someone else 'breaking' the news that morning a bit earlier but at that particular time, Tavares hadn't even contacted Dubas yet.

Not for nothing, the whole team at MLHS staked their reputation on this by posting the full write up.

 

[Fanatic]

When is Willie due to become a UFA? Or to put it another way, what is his status in 4 years?

 

[Coco-puffs]

When is Willie due to become a UFA? Or to put it another way, what is his status in 4 years?

I believe he has 5 years left as an RFA. 

Note:  Marner and Matthews only have 4 years left as an RFA after this one.  The difference between them and Nylander?  Nylander used up the first year of his ELC in 2015-2016, when he played 22 games.  However, it doesn't eat into his years accrued to become a UFA (need to pass the 40 game threshold for that).  Hence the difference.  Willy may get a 4 yr deal.  Marner and Matthews certainly won't get deals that take them right to their first year of UFA eligibility.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/DylanFremlin/status/1054752968195502080

MLHS broke the Tavares signing technically... did a TLN author just get the scoop on Nylander? Maybe. Probably not. We'll see.

edit: the 2nd tweet he's referring to says that the info came from someone within a NHL hockey ops front office.

So a 4year Nylander deal is imminent? Please be so. I figure in 4 years the Leafs will be able to pay Nylander whatever he's worth since they'll be taking care of cap business the next few seasons

 

[bustaheims]

When is Willie due to become a UFA? Or to put it another way, what is his status in 4 years?

He's not a UFA until the summer of 2023.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/1054822456156770304

Not my favourite source, but Kypreos has a lot of good NY-based contacts.

 

[Coco-puffs]

At least he indicated the AAV was his speculation, not that its the number they are talking around for sure.

 

[Frank E]

What about all that stuff re: the cap hit being lessened next year due to delayed signing?

 

[herman]

What about all that stuff re: the cap hit being lessened next year due to delayed signing?

Not sure what your question is, so I'm just going to info dump

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1051819434464202753
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1045315053539545088
https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/9fxhel/william_nylander_holding_out_through_training/

 

[cabber24]

https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/1054822456156770304

Not my favourite source, but Kypreos has a lot of good NY-based contacts.

This day one stuff... the Pastrnak deal.

 

[princedpw]

The information content in Kypreos' "news" would appear to be 0.  I dont see why his speculation is any more informed than mine.