Contracts for the Big-3

[CarltonTheBear]

Correct me if I?m wrong but if he signs before dec 1st he has nothing to lose because the leafs can give him a signing bonus that would essentially cover any lost salary up to this point?

I believe that's the case.

The question is: would they?

 

[Kin]

Correct me if I?m wrong but if he signs before dec 1st he has nothing to lose because the leafs can give him a signing bonus that would essentially cover any lost salary up to this point?

I believe that's the case.

The question is: would they?

I have to imagine it's a point of negotiation. You'd like to think the Leafs are generally open to using their financial clout to make a player's contract as lucrative as possible in order to win concessions elsewhere.

 

[sickbeast]

Correct me if I?m wrong but if he signs before dec 1st he has nothing to lose because the leafs can give him a signing bonus that would essentially cover any lost salary up to this point?

I believe that's the case.

The question is: would they?

Money is not the problem for the Leafs.  Cap space is.  I suspect they would give him the signing bonus in order to get a deal done.

 

[Zee]

Correct me if I?m wrong but if he signs before dec 1st he has nothing to lose because the leafs can give him a signing bonus that would essentially cover any lost salary up to this point?

I believe that's the case.

The question is: would they?

Didn't know that but it makes sense. Make the first year of his contact mostly signing bonus so he doesn't actually lose the cash that's been talked about up to now ($35k a day or whatever) Leafs save a bit on the cap by signing Dec 1st and Nylander gets his $7M. Everyone happy but Leafs fans that had to pull their hair out for 2 months

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Didn't know that but it makes sense. Make the first year of his contact mostly signing bonus so he doesn't actually lose the cash that's been talked about up to now ($35k a day or whatever) Leafs save a bit on the cap by signing Dec 1st and Nylander gets his $7M. Everyone happy but Leafs fans that had to pull their hair out for 2 months

The signing bonuses would still be included in the cap hit though. So by doing this Nylander and his agent essentially get what they want AND they didn't lose out on any actual salary by missing games. So unless this is used as a chip to get Nylander's camp to make a concession like Nik suggested, then I wouldn't really expect Nylander to get comped for his missing games.

 

[Zee]

Didn't know that but it makes sense. Make the first year of his contact mostly signing bonus so he doesn't actually lose the cash that's been talked about up to now ($35k a day or whatever) Leafs save a bit on the cap by signing Dec 1st and Nylander gets his $7M. Everyone happy but Leafs fans that had to pull their hair out for 2 months

The signing bonuses would still be included in the cap hit though. So by doing this Nylander and his agent essentially get what they want AND they didn't lose out on any actual salary by missing games. So unless this is used as a chip to get Nylander's camp to make a concession like Nik suggested, then I wouldn't really expect Nylander to get comped for his missing games.

No I know the signing bonuses are against the cap but by waiting to sign into Dec 1, the cap hits in year 2+ are less than $7M and Nylander still gets his cash cause of the high signing bonus money.

 

[sickbeast]

Elliotte Friedman said tonight that Carolina is "all in" on Nylander.  The next week is going to be interesting.  Great win by the Leafs tonight.

 

[AvroArrow]

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/nov-2018/kings-hurricanes-hot-for-nylander

Rumored Kings deal seems a little weak.
Pesche deal would depend on the add from Carolina.

TFP isn't usually a good source, but I think they called the Tavares signing.

Anyways, more smoke.

 

[princedpw]

If the Hurricanes are ?all in?, I?ll take Dougie Hamilton and a first, thanks.  8)

 

[slapshot]

If the Hurricanes are ?all in?, I?ll take Dougie Hamilton and a first, thanks.  8)

I concur on Hamilton. Any deal with the Canes that doesn't include him is likely to be a disappointment, but unlikely the Canes will trade him - since they just traded for him. Not interested in lower tier d-men. If they trade Nylander, I'd sooner see him go out west.

 

[sickbeast]

Nylander's agent had his website suspended:

https://spmsports.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

Extra motivation to get a deal done, hopefully.  ???

 

[dappleganger]

I heard his website got suspended because the increase in traffic from Leaf fans to his site overloaded the servers.  ;D

 

[Fanatic]

I find myself wondering a lot lately if all of this is just a big orchestration on the part of the Leafs to exploit a favorable part of the CBA. If Willy gets signed Dec 1st to a 7 (or 8) year deal that pays him the first year as a signing bonus - meaning that no salary was lost by sitting out - then it will be a massive win/win.

Would Dubas be willing to suffer a short term problem (no Willy for 2 months) in order to have a better long term deal and secure him at a more favorable cap hit in years 2 through 7 (or 8)?

I have no knowledge of this at all. Just speculating. But with this Leafs management it should not actually surprise us, though no one would ever come right out and admit it even if it does happen this way.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

I find myself wondering a lot lately if all of this is just a big orchestration on the part of the Leafs to exploit a favorable part of the CBA. If Willy gets signed Dec 1st to a 7 (or 8) year deal that pays him the first year as a signing bonus - meaning that no salary was lost by sitting out - then it will be a massive win/win.

Would Dubas be willing to suffer a short term problem (no Willy for 2 months) in order to have a better long term deal and secure him at a more favorable cap hit in years 2 through 7 (or 8)?

I have no knowledge of this at all. Just speculating. But with this Leafs management it should not actually surprise us, though no one would ever come right out and admit it even if it does happen this way.

Someone earlier in the thread ran the numbers, and it was like $400K a year in cap savings.  Seems hardly worth the shenanigans. 

 

[Zee]

Nylander's agent had his website suspended:

https://spmsports.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

Extra motivation to get a deal done, hopefully.  ???

He can't pay his bills cause he's getting no cash from the Nylander non-signing  ;D

 

[IJustLurkHere]

I find myself wondering a lot lately if all of this is just a big orchestration on the part of the Leafs to exploit a favorable part of the CBA. If Willy gets signed Dec 1st to a 7 (or 8) year deal that pays him the first year as a signing bonus - meaning that no salary was lost by sitting out - then it will be a massive win/win.

Would Dubas be willing to suffer a short term problem (no Willy for 2 months) in order to have a better long term deal and secure him at a more favorable cap hit in years 2 through 7 (or 8)?

I have no knowledge of this at all. Just speculating. But with this Leafs management it should not actually surprise us, though no one would ever come right out and admit it even if it does happen this way.

Someone earlier in the thread ran the numbers, and it was like $400K a year in cap savings.  Seems hardly worth the shenanigans.

Without necessarily disagreeing... 7 years of $400k is $2.8 million dollars. At some point it?s real money.

 

[Zee]

I find myself wondering a lot lately if all of this is just a big orchestration on the part of the Leafs to exploit a favorable part of the CBA. If Willy gets signed Dec 1st to a 7 (or 8) year deal that pays him the first year as a signing bonus - meaning that no salary was lost by sitting out - then it will be a massive win/win.

Would Dubas be willing to suffer a short term problem (no Willy for 2 months) in order to have a better long term deal and secure him at a more favorable cap hit in years 2 through 7 (or 8)?

I have no knowledge of this at all. Just speculating. But with this Leafs management it should not actually surprise us, though no one would ever come right out and admit it even if it does happen this way.

Someone earlier in the thread ran the numbers, and it was like $400K a year in cap savings.  Seems hardly worth the shenanigans.

Without necessarily disagreeing... 7 years of $400k is $2.8 million dollars. At some point it?s real money.

MLSE doesn't really care about the actual money, they can afford it.  I think the point is $400k on the cap shouldn't make such a huge difference to the overall team cap situation to warrant waiting until Dec 1st to sign this deal.

 

[bustaheims]

Without necessarily disagreeing... 7 years of $400k is $2.8 million dollars. At some point it?s real money.

That number doesn't represent actually money, though, just AAV calculations and cap space. If cap space didn't expire, that would be worth considering, but, really, it is just $400K against the cap each season for 7 seasons. That's not even a player at league minimum salary.

 

[herman]

I'm not well versed in what the exact calculations are, but unused cap space is banked each day; without Nylander's cap hit for the first month so far and because Horton is just on regular IR, our nearly 14M of space adds up to about 53M of 'virtual' space at the deadline. Obviously that won't be the exact amount once Nylander is dropped back into the roster, but whatever has been banked now has been banked.

i.e. we can splash down a big addition for the stretch drive if we wanted to. It will also go towards paying out any performance bonuses to ensure we don't have any overages for next season.

 

[Highlander]

Not to much news on Willie boy?