Draft Pick Watch - WE PICKED NYLANDER!!1!!

[KW Sluggo]

What about Stastny? Isn't he a UFA?

More to the point: what does any of this have to do with this thread?

But since we are here, I do not trade JVR.

Really? You're picking on my post?

I brought this up because of the trading JVR to get a centre discussion.

Actually not... I was just surprised to see screen after screen on trades when I was expecting some more focus on who we might pick in this year's draft< I do understand that trading to move up or down in the draft is part of that discussion but you know, there is a point at which it gets carried away.

As for trading to move up or down, what is the point?

We traded to move up to get Schenn and that didn't work out all that well (except for his ultimate trade for JVR) but my point is that Schenn was not worth the trade  nor was Biggs.

It seems that round one is as much a crap shoot as any of the other rounds and maybe more.

After all Detroit and several others have done quite well drafting after the first round. It seems illogical but the number of first round failures really makes me wonder if teams would not be better off without the 1st round hype an general managers generally mismanaging and just let their scouts handle the draft.

In fact after the last decade of trades (Rask, Raycroft Toskala, Seguin and Hamilton) it may be that net we would have been better off simply drafting and developing. I realize that Edmonton is the argument against that but I have to really question how much farther ahead we are than we would have been.

 

[Redleaf]

So, just a little over a week until draft day.

Will they, or won't they? Will the Leafs trade up to pick first overall?

 

[lamajama]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

 

[bustaheims]

So, just a little over a week until draft day.

Will they, or won't they? Will the Leafs trade up to pick first overall?

The 1st overall pick almost certainly is not being traded. We hear it's "in play" just about every year, but, no team has traded out of that spot since 2003.

 

[Kin]

The 1st overall pick almost certainly is not being traded. We hear it's "in play" just about every year, but, no team has traded out of that spot since 2003.

I really feel like that needs to be emphasized because even in 2003 the most the #1 team was willing to drop down was to #3, the player picked at #1 would have made absolutely no sense to the team that had the #1 pick and, from most of what I've read, the team trading the #1 pick got the player they'd have taken at #1 anyway.

 

[bustaheims]

I really feel like that needs to be emphasized because even in 2003 the most the #1 team was willing to drop down was to #3, the player picked at #1 would have made absolutely no sense to the team that had the #1 pick and, from most of what I've read, the team trading the #1 pick got the player they'd have taken at #1 anyway.

Yeah. Teams with the #1 overall pick basically never trade out of the top 3 anymore, and, even when they do, there's usually some significant discussion with the teams they're trading behind so that they ensure they get the guy they wanted all along.

 

[Bullfrog]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

 

[lamajama]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle? 

 

[wnc096]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle?

not always the same pattern....remember when JFJ refused to trade steen and kaberle for Pronger.  that would haven been a game changer.  Ugh

 

[Redleaf]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle?

not always the same pattern....remember when JFJ refused to trade steen and kaberle for Pronger.  that would haven been a game changer.  Ugh

But when was the last Leaf team that actually kept most of their draft picks? Can anyone seriously remember?

 

[rdowdall]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle?

not always the same pattern....remember when JFJ refused to trade steen and kaberle for Pronger.  that would haven been a game changer.  Ugh

But when was the last Leaf team that actually kept most of their draft picks? Can anyone seriously remember?

The year they drafted Schenn

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle?

not always the same pattern....remember when JFJ refused to trade steen and kaberle for Pronger.  that would haven been a game changer.  Ugh

But when was the last Leaf team that actually kept most of their draft picks? Can anyone seriously remember?

Do you mean keeping the actual draft selections or kept the players after they were drafted?

 

[Redleaf]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle?

not always the same pattern....remember when JFJ refused to trade steen and kaberle for Pronger.  that would haven been a game changer.  Ugh

But when was the last Leaf team that actually kept most of their draft picks? Can anyone seriously remember?

Do you mean keeping the actual draft selections or kept the players after they were drafted?

Once a player has been drafted he becomes a prospect, not a draft pick.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle?

not always the same pattern....remember when JFJ refused to trade steen and kaberle for Pronger.  that would haven been a game changer.  Ugh

But when was the last Leaf team that actually kept most of their draft picks? Can anyone seriously remember?

Do you mean keeping the actual draft selections or kept the players after they were drafted?

Once a player has been drafted he becomes a prospect, not a draft pick.

I've definitely never heard a player referred to as the draft pick of a team before.

But to answer your original question: every single year.  Every draft they have kept most of their draft picks (which is why I had to ask what you meant).

 

[bustaheims]

The year they drafted Schenn

They didn't draft a player in the 3rd round that year, and the 2nd they used was Pittsburgh's, not their own.

 

[Redleaf]

Nope. Perhaps a minor move up a few picks. Regardless they'll pick a decent prospect, either rush him in or let him develop in the AHL then criticize him for not winning the scoring title in his first two years and trade him. Either way the fans lose.

Reading your posts depresses me.  :-\

How do you think it makes me feel typing it  :-[

The Leafs have never learned. EVER. And Nonis will no
doubt continue the pattern. Kadri, Gardner out, Bolland in and now maybe
Boyle?

not always the same pattern....remember when JFJ refused to trade steen and kaberle for Pronger.  that would haven been a game changer.  Ugh

But when was the last Leaf team that actually kept most of their draft picks? Can anyone seriously remember?

Do you mean keeping the actual draft selections or kept the players after they were drafted?

Once a player has been drafted he becomes a prospect, not a draft pick.

I've definitely never heard a player referred to as the draft pick of a team before.

No. So there you have the answer to your question.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

See my edit.

 

[bustaheims]

The last time the Leafs had a pick in every round of the draft was 1998.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The last time the Leafs had a pick in every round of the draft was 1998.

The question was when was the last time they kept most of their picks.  Every draft they have most of their picks (whether their own or substituted with that of another team).

 

[bustaheims]

The question was when was the last time they kept most of their picks.  Every draft they have most of their picks (whether their own or substituted with that of another team).

Yeah, I know. I was just pointing this out.