Ducks shopping Ryan
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Rebel_1812
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soc7 said:
isn't parise a UFA this summer? Sign him and get rid of one of grabo or connelly. All of a sudden we have 2 good top lines.
GhostofPotvin29
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Kind of surprising how upfront they were about Ryan being on the market and off the market. Usually teams just deny and deny.
Corn Flake
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Murray: I'm not not shopping Bobby Ryan.
Corn Flake
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Peter D. said:
Yeah this little item was interestingly public, and that little nugget is yet another piece that's really telling about what was going wrong in Duckie land.
So you wonder who leaked the trade rumors because clearly there was an aggressive push from somewhere.. was it Murray, to get the interest up or Ryan's agent to get the pressure up on the team to make a change?
Too bad in some ways. I was quietly convinced that Burke would pull the trade for Ryan. The whole setup just fit Burke's approach to things to a tee.
Corn Flake said:
Before that tweet, I hadn't seen anything confirming Ryan had requested a trade. I'd seen him resigned to accepting it if it happened. But he didn't talk much about it. I don't recall his agent saying anything either.
Did you see something to that effect?
Corn Flake
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cw said:
No nothing until the Murray comment/Kypreos tweet.
If Murray did volunteer that info then it was either a slip or he was putting just a touch of onus back on Ryan, who maybe did request a trade at some point due to issues with the coach.
I'm guessing the request was made quietly and got things rolling, the rumor dropped from one side or the other but its now died off that Carlyle is gone.
At least in hockey, unlike the NBA, trade requests are made quietly and not announced to the world by players. Hello Chris Paul.
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
Not that I think Ryan's going anywhere anytime soon, but, in a weird way, it feels like, now that things are going to die down in terms of media chatter and such, a trade to the Leafs becomes more of a possibility. As much as we've Burke enjoy the spotlight, outside of the prolonged Kaberle dealings, he's made pretty much all of his big moves without media chatter and without anything really leaking until the deal was going down. I think now that Burke can work on this a little more stealthily, the chances of a deal happening improve - though, really, all they've done is moved from "next to none" to "slim."
Madferret
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Question of the Day: How much more interesting would this thread be if its title was 'Ryan shopping Ducks' ?
Personally I think one of the few flaws of this site / forum is its uber-conservative views on foul-hunting. Or was it lawn darts? You wouldn't hire a clown to fix a leak in the john, would you?
Personally I think one of the few flaws of this site / forum is its uber-conservative views on foul-hunting. Or was it lawn darts? You wouldn't hire a clown to fix a leak in the john, would you?
Corn Flake
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Saint Nik said:
Well yes, then there is Loud Allan.
Corn Flake
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Busta Reims said:
That's a good point. I was thinking while that chatter got to the point of ridiculously loud for a trade about to go down, it wouldn't be Burke's style to let it get that way, and might have been as high a deterrent to a deal as would be Murray's reluctance to get fleeced again by his former boss.
Things likely die down for at least a month, see where the Ducks are with the Wing Machine as coach and if they are still in the toilet, something will likely give.
bustaheims
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Zee said:
The Phaneuf deal is part of what leads me to my conclusion here. A couple months before the trade went down, there was some chatter about him being on the move (nothing like with Bobby Ryan - the Phaneuf talk was shut down pretty much right away), and, a couple months after it had gone away and been dismissed, he was a Leaf. I don't expect the same to happen with Ryan, but, if it were, that's the way I imagine it would go down.
The Ducks are currently playing .375 hockey.
Due to their financial stresses, they probably cannot wait until the deadline to dump salary because they'd have to dump even more players to get to the cap floor.
They have to see improvement with Boudreau fairly quickly such that they have a shot at the playoffs or they've got to move some salary.
Ducks Schedule & Opponent Win%
2-Dec-11 Philadelphia 0.630
4-Dec-11 Minnesota 0.660
6-Dec-11 Los Angeles 0.600
8-Dec-11 at St. Louis 0.625
10-Dec-11 at Nashville 0.560
14-Dec-11 Phoenix 0.604
16-Dec-11 at Chicago 0.620
17-Dec-11 at Winnipeg 0.480
19-Dec-11 at Dallas 0.620
22-Dec-11 at Los Angeles 0.600
26-Dec-11 at San Jose 0.659
29-Dec-11 Vancouver 0.580
31-Dec-11 Colorado 0.460
I don't like their chances to make up substantial ground with that upcoming schedule.
If I had to bet on it, the fire sale is more likely to be back on in early January.
Bruce Boudreau is in a tough spot.
FWIW, heard on TSN radio that Ryan never saw a second of 5 on 3 PP ice time in Anaheim because Carlyle was always on his case - like he'd go out of his way to avoid putting Ryan on the ice for 5 on 3 PPs as some kind of punishment.
Due to their financial stresses, they probably cannot wait until the deadline to dump salary because they'd have to dump even more players to get to the cap floor.
They have to see improvement with Boudreau fairly quickly such that they have a shot at the playoffs or they've got to move some salary.
Ducks Schedule & Opponent Win%
2-Dec-11 Philadelphia 0.630
4-Dec-11 Minnesota 0.660
6-Dec-11 Los Angeles 0.600
8-Dec-11 at St. Louis 0.625
10-Dec-11 at Nashville 0.560
14-Dec-11 Phoenix 0.604
16-Dec-11 at Chicago 0.620
17-Dec-11 at Winnipeg 0.480
19-Dec-11 at Dallas 0.620
22-Dec-11 at Los Angeles 0.600
26-Dec-11 at San Jose 0.659
29-Dec-11 Vancouver 0.580
31-Dec-11 Colorado 0.460
I don't like their chances to make up substantial ground with that upcoming schedule.
If I had to bet on it, the fire sale is more likely to be back on in early January.
Bruce Boudreau is in a tough spot.
FWIW, heard on TSN radio that Ryan never saw a second of 5 on 3 PP ice time in Anaheim because Carlyle was always on his case - like he'd go out of his way to avoid putting Ryan on the ice for 5 on 3 PPs as some kind of punishment.
Further to the above, the .380 Ducks sit 11 pts behind 8th place LA (.600) in the West. If the Kings plod along in 8th place playing .600 hockey, the Ducks will have to play .790 hockey to gain 3 points over their next 12 games (schedule above) to get them within 8 pts of a playoff berth.
8 pts out of a playoff berth at the midpoint is very daunting to overcome. Not many have done it. The Ducks will either have to play incredibly or hope someone from the top 8 falls off.
This site rates the Ducks current chances of making playoffs at 3%:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
This site rates the Ducks current chances of making playoffs at less than 1%:
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
From that, once again, it's very likely that Anaheim will be dealing players in January when the math is likely to catch up to them. Leafs fans know as well as any fans how tough a bad start is to overcome.
8 pts out of a playoff berth at the midpoint is very daunting to overcome. Not many have done it. The Ducks will either have to play incredibly or hope someone from the top 8 falls off.
This site rates the Ducks current chances of making playoffs at 3%:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
This site rates the Ducks current chances of making playoffs at less than 1%:
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
From that, once again, it's very likely that Anaheim will be dealing players in January when the math is likely to catch up to them. Leafs fans know as well as any fans how tough a bad start is to overcome.
Hockey_gal
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cw Ducks lost again tonight...last 2 games they had 3-0 and 2-0 leads only to cough them up. Changes will come but not sure which players.