Ducks shopping Ryan

[rdowdall]

I thought the going rate for a 24 year old multiple 30 goal scorer was two 1st's and a second.

 

[maplesyrup]

Rumour has Carolina interested in Bobby.  Makes sense to pair him with Staal or Skinner.

If they offer up their first round pick (which could be a top 5 pick at this point) all bets are off.  They could add Brandon Sutter or one of their decent young D-men (McBain or Faulk) and I think both clubs make that deal.  All hinges on them wanting to part with a likely top 5 pick.

I think we have a large edge over Carolina in acquiring Ryan. One reason being is that we could take a contract such as Blake back as a salary dump (waiving said contract of course.) Not necessarily Blake but you get my drift. Carolina has never been in a financial position to do so.

Having said that, Dreger feels the price would a "top forward (likely a center), young defencman, and a pick."

I'd really hate to give up Colborne (even more so than Kadri) but, Colborne + Franson/Aulie + 1st rounder OR Colborne + Schenn (no pick?) While I gulp at the cost, I do so with the understanding that Anaheim isn't going to be giving Ryan away.       

 

[rdowdall]

Rumour has Carolina interested in Bobby.  Makes sense to pair him with Staal or Skinner.

If they offer up their first round pick (which could be a top 5 pick at this point) all bets are off.  They could add Brandon Sutter or one of their decent young D-men (McBain or Faulk) and I think both clubs make that deal.  All hinges on them wanting to part with a likely top 5 pick.

I think we have a large edge over Carolina in acquiring Ryan. One reason being is that we could take a contract such as Blake back as a salary dump (waiving said contract of course.) Not necessarily Blake but you get my drift. Carolina has never been in a financial position to do so.

Having said that, Dreger feels the price would a "top forward (likely a center), young defencman, and a pick."

I'd really hate to give up Colborne (even more so than Kadri) but, Colborne + Franson/Aulie + 1st rounder OR Colborne + Schenn (no pick?) While I gulp at the cost, I do so with the understanding that Anaheim isn't going to be giving Ryan away.     

I think they can do it without Colborne.  I think that if the Leafs are doing this deal, you create the package centred around Kulemin and Grabovski.  The Leafs need to free up roster spots in the first two lines.  You can pitch it to the Ducks as a depth building exercise.

 

[Zee]

Rumour has Carolina interested in Bobby.  Makes sense to pair him with Staal or Skinner.

If they offer up their first round pick (which could be a top 5 pick at this point) all bets are off.  They could add Brandon Sutter or one of their decent young D-men (McBain or Faulk) and I think both clubs make that deal.  All hinges on them wanting to part with a likely top 5 pick.

I think we have a large edge over Carolina in acquiring Ryan. One reason being is that we could take a contract such as Blake back as a salary dump (waiving said contract of course.) Not necessarily Blake but you get my drift. Carolina has never been in a financial position to do so.

Having said that, Dreger feels the price would a "top forward (likely a center), young defencman, and a pick."

I'd really hate to give up Colborne (even more so than Kadri) but, Colborne + Franson/Aulie + 1st rounder OR Colborne + Schenn (no pick?) While I gulp at the cost, I do so with the understanding that Anaheim isn't going to be giving Ryan away.     

I think they can do it without Colborne.  I think that if the Leafs are doing this deal, you create the package centred around Kulemin and Grabovski.  The Leafs need to free up roster spots in the first two lines.  You can pitch it to the Ducks as a depth building exercise.

My money would be on Kadri being traded before Colborne.  I think the Leafs organization is fairly high on Colborne.

 

[Fanatic]

My money would be on Kadri being traded before Colborne.  I think the Leafs organization is fairly high on Colborne.

And as we all know, trades are a matter of the Leafs identifying who they want and then dictating who they are willing to give up. No team, of course, has ever traded anyone that they were fairly high on.  ???

 

[Erndog]

Rumour has Carolina interested in Bobby.  Makes sense to pair him with Staal or Skinner.

If they offer up their first round pick (which could be a top 5 pick at this point) all bets are off.  They could add Brandon Sutter or one of their decent young D-men (McBain or Faulk) and I think both clubs make that deal.  All hinges on them wanting to part with a likely top 5 pick.

I think we have a large edge over Carolina in acquiring Ryan. One reason being is that we could take a contract such as Blake back as a salary dump (waiving said contract of course.) Not necessarily Blake but you get my drift. Carolina has never been in a financial position to do so.

Having said that, Dreger feels the price would a "top forward (likely a center), young defencman, and a pick."

I'd really hate to give up Colborne (even more so than Kadri) but, Colborne + Franson/Aulie + 1st rounder OR Colborne + Schenn (no pick?) While I gulp at the cost, I do so with the understanding that Anaheim isn't going to be giving Ryan away.     

I think they can do it without Colborne.  I think that if the Leafs are doing this deal, you create the package centred around Kulemin and Grabovski.  The Leafs need to free up roster spots in the first two lines.  You can pitch it to the Ducks as a depth building exercise.

So why is Grabovski, a pending UFA, enticing to a team that is going to miss the playoffs?

Even if they re-sign him he will come in around $3.5-4.5M probably.  They can't afford to trade Ryan AND add salary.  That's just not happening.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

My money would be on Kadri being traded before Colborne.  I think the Leafs organization is fairly high on Colborne.

So would the Ducks though. I think it'd be pretty difficult for Burke to pull off this trade by going into the negotiations and saying that 3 of our most attractive assets in Gardiner, Schenn, and Colborne are all off the table for a young, proven 30-goal scorer with size. Not impossible, but pretty difficult.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Pierre McGuire and the boys were discussing this on the Team1200 this morning.  They mentioned the "reported asking price" is, and I can't remember the exact adjective they used for the forward but they said, "a good young forward, a top young d-man and a 1st round pick."  Pretty much the typical template for a move like this.

So with that said, I can think of 2 packages off the top of my head that "fit" the asking price:

1)  Kulemin + Aulie/Franson + 1st

or

2)  Kadri + Schenn/Gardiner + 1st

Not saying we should do either one (or the Ducks would accept either one), but it looks like it would have to be something along those lines.  Perhaps a Kadri + Aulie + 1st would work also but I think they could get a better package elsewhere.

Ducks have a nice collection of young d-men. I think they ask for two forwards plus a 1st.. Kadri, Kulemin 1st type scenario.  Leafs could sweeten the deal by taking on Blake and burying him somewhere... something a Carolina is going to have no business doing.

I think the Blake thing is perhaps the best angle the Leafs have. Take him and bury him - the Leafs can pay him in the minors and Anahein saves a lot of money.

That's kind of what I was thinking:

Kulemin/MacArthur + Kadri + 1st for Ryan and Jason Blake and bury Blake.

 

[maplesyrup]

So why is Grabovski, a pending UFA, enticing to a team that is going to miss the playoffs?

Even if they re-sign him he will come in around $3.5-4.5M probably.  They can't afford to trade Ryan AND add salary.  That's just not happening.

That was the point I was trying to make yesterday but Busta reminded me thet could flip him. But yeah, that's an added burden on Anaheim's part and I'm not sure why they would want a burden of any kind when dealing a star. If you remember from the old site, I was high on Colborne long before he was a Leaf so parting with him wouldn't be easy for me but if it's center they want, I'm sure it's going to be him.  :-\   

 

[Zee]

I love how these reporters are always trying to get Burke or Nonis to talk about potential trades.  Heard interviews with Burke and Nonis from the last 2 days and both guys were asked about Bobby Ryan.  Both men said "I would never talk about players from other teams". 

 

[rdowdall]

Rumour has Carolina interested in Bobby.  Makes sense to pair him with Staal or Skinner.

If they offer up their first round pick (which could be a top 5 pick at this point) all bets are off.  They could add Brandon Sutter or one of their decent young D-men (McBain or Faulk) and I think both clubs make that deal.  All hinges on them wanting to part with a likely top 5 pick.

I think we have a large edge over Carolina in acquiring Ryan. One reason being is that we could take a contract such as Blake back as a salary dump (waiving said contract of course.) Not necessarily Blake but you get my drift. Carolina has never been in a financial position to do so.

Having said that, Dreger feels the price would a "top forward (likely a center), young defencman, and a pick."

I'd really hate to give up Colborne (even more so than Kadri) but, Colborne + Franson/Aulie + 1st rounder OR Colborne + Schenn (no pick?) While I gulp at the cost, I do so with the understanding that Anaheim isn't going to be giving Ryan away.     

I think they can do it without Colborne.  I think that if the Leafs are doing this deal, you create the package centred around Kulemin and Grabovski.  The Leafs need to free up roster spots in the first two lines.  You can pitch it to the Ducks as a depth building exercise.

My money would be on Kadri being traded before Colborne.  I think the Leafs organization is fairly high on Colborne.

I mean if the Leafs pitch a deal of Grabovski, Kulemin, Kadri and lets say Schenn/Franson/Aulie/some sort of high draft pick, that's going to be intriguing.  If the Leafs have to overpay to an extent to get Ryan, I think the have the assets to do it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So why is Grabovski, a pending UFA, enticing to a team that is going to miss the playoffs?

Even if they re-sign him he will come in around $3.5-4.5M probably.  They can't afford to trade Ryan AND add salary.  That's just not happening.

I see your point, but Ryan is on a pretty cap-friendly contract. If Anaheim wants established players in return it's going to be a little difficult to make salaries match or balance in their favour.

 

[rdowdall]

Rumour has Carolina interested in Bobby.  Makes sense to pair him with Staal or Skinner.

If they offer up their first round pick (which could be a top 5 pick at this point) all bets are off.  They could add Brandon Sutter or one of their decent young D-men (McBain or Faulk) and I think both clubs make that deal.  All hinges on them wanting to part with a likely top 5 pick.

I think we have a large edge over Carolina in acquiring Ryan. One reason being is that we could take a contract such as Blake back as a salary dump (waiving said contract of course.) Not necessarily Blake but you get my drift. Carolina has never been in a financial position to do so.

Having said that, Dreger feels the price would a "top forward (likely a center), young defencman, and a pick."

I'd really hate to give up Colborne (even more so than Kadri) but, Colborne + Franson/Aulie + 1st rounder OR Colborne + Schenn (no pick?) While I gulp at the cost, I do so with the understanding that Anaheim isn't going to be giving Ryan away.     

I think they can do it without Colborne.  I think that if the Leafs are doing this deal, you create the package centred around Kulemin and Grabovski.  The Leafs need to free up roster spots in the first two lines.  You can pitch it to the Ducks as a depth building exercise.

So why is Grabovski, a pending UFA, enticing to a team that is going to miss the playoffs?

Even if they re-sign him he will come in around $3.5-4.5M probably.  They can't afford to trade Ryan AND add salary.  That's just not happening.

Because I think the Ducks problem is somewhat opposite to what the Leafs problem is.  Lack of organizational depth but three really good first line players.  Acquiring Grabovski allows them to move Koivu to the third line centre role. 

 

[bustaheims]

Pierre McGuire and the boys were discussing this on the Team1200 this morning.  They mentioned the "reported asking price" is, and I can't remember the exact adjective they used for the forward but they said, "a good young forward, a top young d-man and a 1st round pick."  Pretty much the typical template for a move like this.

What that tells me is that McGuire hasn't really received any good information from people connected to the situation, since that's the template every fan uses to make trade proposals - and, when it happens, that "good young forward" tends to be someone like Colby Armstrong or Devin Setoguchi (as in, someone who's less established/doesn't have as high a ceiling as the guys people generally throw into these deals or guys that have tailed off after a strong early season or are struggling to fit in on their team). That, and the prospect attached almost always has an "if" or some sort of red flag attached to him.

 

[Kin]

Because I think the Ducks problem is somewhat opposite to what the Leafs problem is.  Lack of organizational depth but three really good first line players.  Acquiring Grabovski allows them to move Koivu to the third line centre role.

I don't know if you were referring to the NHL team specifically but I don't know if the problem in Anaheim is a lack of organizational depth from a prospect standpoint. They were ranked just below the Leafs on that organizational list from HF.

Honestly, the more and more I look at the roster the less and less I'm sold on this being anything other than a pretty stupid panic move. You can argue that their bottom six isn't great but you don't trade a player like Ryan to improve the team's bottom 6.

 

[ZBBM]

For those floating Grabs as trade bait, I would ask: is Ryan really an upgrade?  I have serious doubts.  I would not be in any rush to trade away Grabovski's work ethic, especially since his offensive stats are not miles below Ryan's.

 

[McPwnage]

Remember the ducks are ranked 9th on hockeysfuture team orgazional ranks for prospects.  Honestly I hope we could pawn a franson or komisarek off on them but that isn't realistic.  It would probably have to be more along the lines of aulie, I don't imagine them trading gardiner back and I think with his skill at the moment he would be a deal breaker. 

Forward wise we would have to move MacArthur or Kulemin to make it work for us in terms of roster space and salary cap.  I would prefer giving kadri to colborne and I hope we can so that would be Kadri, Mac/Kule and Aulie/Franson/Komisarek

 

[Zee]

Because I think the Ducks problem is somewhat opposite to what the Leafs problem is.  Lack of organizational depth but three really good first line players.  Acquiring Grabovski allows them to move Koivu to the third line centre role.

I don't know if you were referring to the NHL team specifically but I don't know if the problem in Anaheim is a lack of organizational depth from a prospect standpoint. They were ranked just below the Leafs on that organizational list from HF.

Honestly, the more and more I look at the roster the less and less I'm sold on this being anything other than a pretty stupid panic move. You can argue that their bottom six isn't great but you don't trade a player like Ryan to improve the team's bottom 6.

It is a stupid panic move, that's why I'm not convinced it'll happen.  Maybe cooler heads will prevail.  Of course there's also the school of thought that they won't be able to afford to keep Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan when the first 2 are up for a new contract, so maybe that also plays into it, who knows.

 

[McPwnage]

Bobby Ryan does not sound happy about the situation: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/ryan-329230-ducks-team.html

"I wouldn't be surprised," Ryan told the Register on Tuesday. "That's all I'll say about that... If they feel like the Ducks are going to get better and I'm going to get chance to play somewhere else, I guess I would. But I'm certainly not thinking about it day in and day out."

 

[maplesyrup]

For those floating Grabs as trade bait, I would ask: is Ryan really an upgrade?  I have serious doubts.  I would not be in any rush to trade away Grabovski's work ethic, especially since his offensive stats are not miles below Ryan's.

I would say so, yes. Ryan is a significant upgrade over Grabo. To that point, Ryan could probably play on the 1st line on most NHL teams as they stand now. How many could Grabo? In addition, Ryan is signed (and to a nice number as well) so on that alone, Ryan is the better asset... by quite a margin I feel.