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Ducks shopping Ryan

Zee said:
Corn Flake said:
Zee said:
I seriously doubt the Ducks would even consider any offer with Connolly but ok.

Alright alright... The point was there has to be some offsetting cap hit going back.  A deal can't be all prospects because the Leafs have zero cap room right now.  something of contract consequence has to go back the other way so the idea was to put in some futures + a contract.

Komisarek.  ;)

It is a possibility, actually.  He's played well enough to not just be a salary dump and at least show he isn't done.  Ducks need someone who can contribute but Komi isn't due back for weeks.  Might not fit their timeline if they are in a hurry to do something (panic move?).

I'm going to assume Kulemin's name starts to show up a lot in possible scenarios.  Both are wingers having off years.  He could be a big'ish piece.

CW's idea of Blake coming back and being buried (ECHL! ECHL!) is interesting. 

Komi + Kulemin + Blake for Ryan + pick? 
 
Tigger said:
Would anyone consider Gardiner in a deal?

Not enthusiastically. Depends on the deal of course. He'd be the last dman I'd want to part with from our franchise. Fantastic cap value right now. The trick is I don't know how high his offensive upside will prove to be. He's got a chance to turn out as a top dman in the league.

At risk of getting flamed and folks thinking I've gone absolutely crazy, I don't know if I'd take Ryan straight up for him. Gardiner has really impressed me - more than I recall Kaberle or Markov impressing me when they broke in. I think good puck moving dmen are kind of worth more than wingers. I'd truly have to think about it.
 
If Komi was playing well for a longer period than he has to date and he was in the last two years of his deal, the Ducks might bite to get that $1 mil payroll vs cap savings. But I really doubt his $4.5 mil cap hit would appeal to any NHL teams right now - unless the Leafs took substantial garbage cap/payroll dollars back.
 
Tigger said:
Would anyone consider Gardiner in a deal?

Slim to no chance.

With a player as high an upside as him already carving out a permanent spot in the NHL and being as good as he is right now, they don't get much more valuable than that. 

If the Leafs were trying to win this year, I would say its quite possible. But they aren't, so its almost unpossible.

Colborne IMO would be more likely to be dealt at this point than Gardiner.
 
Corn Flake said:
Tigger said:
Would anyone consider Gardiner in a deal?

Slim to no chance.

With a player as high an upside as him already carving out a permanent spot in the NHL and being as good as he is right now, they don't get much more valuable than that. 

If the Leafs were trying to win this year, I would say its quite possible. But they aren't, so its almost unpossible.

Colborne IMO would be more likely to be dealt at this point than Gardiner.

The Ducks already deemed Gardiner expendable because they (apparently) have so many young defencemen with a lot of potential.

If I were Burke though, there wouldn't be many, if any, untouchables when it comes to landing a player like Bobby Ryan.
 
cw said:
Tigger said:
Would anyone consider Gardiner in a deal?

Not enthusiastically. Depends on the deal of course. He'd be the last dman I'd want to part with from our franchise. Fantastic cap value right now. The trick is I don't know how high his offensive upside will prove to be. He's got a chance to turn out as a top dman in the league.

At risk of getting flamed and folks thinking I've gone absolutely crazy, I don't know if I'd take Ryan straight up for him. Gardiner has really impressed me - more than I recall Kaberle or Markov impressing me when they broke in. I think good puck moving dmen are kind of worth more than wingers. I'd truly have to think about it.

I agree, it's not an easy call at all and unattractive to the Leafs. To me a Schenn and Kadri offer is more appealing and I don't really like that too much either. ( also may not work from the Ducks end )

Grabbo seems like a guy that could be moved, though I'm not sure the Ducks would fall for it.

Franson, Kadri and a 1st?

I really dunno, if I was Anaheim I wouldn't trade Ryan for the most part.

 
You know. If we can get a deal without disrupting the current roster too much, I'm all in. If it takes trading some our players currently getting tons of ice time, I'm skeptical. Either way Burke will make a pitch if the rumor is indeed true.
 
Good grief, "Bobby Ryan" has been trending in Canada on Twitter all day long.    And then this exchange on twitter from someone asking Ryan a question:

Someone said:
@b_ryan9 How many tweets per minute have you gotten about your upcoming trade to the #Leafs ? Lol!!!

and Ryan's reply:
BobbyRyan said:
you have no idea. Little overwhelming

 
Bonsixx said:
Corn Flake said:
Tigger said:
Would anyone consider Gardiner in a deal?

Slim to no chance.

With a player as high an upside as him already carving out a permanent spot in the NHL and being as good as he is right now, they don't get much more valuable than that. 

If the Leafs were trying to win this year, I would say its quite possible. But they aren't, so its almost unpossible.

Colborne IMO would be more likely to be dealt at this point than Gardiner.

The Ducks already deemed Gardiner expendable because they (apparently) have so many young defencemen with a lot of potential.

If I were Burke though, there wouldn't be many, if any, untouchables when it comes to landing a player like Bobby Ryan.

True.  But, Gardiner's value has gone up quite a bit since that trade, plus with Ryan struggling and now on an expensive contract I think you have to weigh the risks there. 

There shouldn't be untouchables at all.. in any case ... for any player. 

Even Reimer or Kessel.. would still trade either one today for the right deal. Would have to be one helluva deal of course, but would still move them. 
 
Busta Reims said:
sneakyray said:
wait...what did pittsburgh give up for neal last year?

seem like similar players.

edit: goligoski...not sure the ducks would do it

Except that Neal has never hit 30 goals or 60 points (which Ryan has done 3 times and twice, respectively) and his career highs in goals and points are less than Ryan's career lows for a full season.

They're similar in that they're similarly sized LWs that were drafted in the 2005 draft, and they play a similar style, but, the similarities really end there.

fair enough
 
RedLeaf said:
You know. If we can get a deal without disrupting the current roster too much, I'm all in. If it takes trading some our players currently getting tons of ice time, I'm skeptical. Either way Burke will make a pitch if the rumor is indeed true.

With the Leafs current cap situation, if Ryan's $5.1 mil cap hit gets added to the Leafs roster, roughly $5.1 mil must come off somehow:
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=4
"Projected Cap Space $0"

With the injuries, there may be some creative accounting/moves that can be done to help. But something would have to give.
 
I think a trade could work based on need. The Ducks are thin on defence, and don't have a promising young centre, unless you count Cogliano, who is quickly approaching bust status.

What about Grabbo, Kadri and Franson for Ryan

Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
Ryan-Connolly-Mac
Kuli-Lombardi-Army
Brown-Steckel-Frattin

Looks solid. Do you think Anaheim would bite?
 
A good comparison for value on a Ryan deal might be the Carter trade. They're similar calibre players with similar stats over the past few seasons. Carter is a little older and on a longer contract, so that drops his value slightly, but, they're still pretty good comparables. Basically, that means, for the Leafs, we'd be looking at something along the lines of Kulemin, Kadri (what Philly wanted for Carter) and a pick/prospect (not necessarily a 1st - maybe a lesser prospect than Kadri if the Leafs' 1st is included). As much as I like Kulemin, I think I'd be tempted to make that deal.
 
How about ryan for grabovski, macarthur, franson for ryan, that would free up the salary required to aquire ryan.  It is really good for us if grabovski doesn't want to stay in Toronto and we can sign getzlaf in 2013 to round ourselves out as a contender.   

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
Ryan - Connolly - Kulemin
Frattin - Lombardi - Armstrong
Brown - Steckel - Dupis
 

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