Ducks shopping Ryan
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Chev-boyar-sky
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Busta Reims said:
Eerie. That's what I was thinking too.
Corn Flake
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Zee said:
Alright alright... The point was there has to be some offsetting cap hit going back. A deal can't be all prospects because the Leafs have zero cap room right now. something of contract consequence has to go back the other way so the idea was to put in some futures + a contract.
caver
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Wow! Some pretty crazy expensive trade possibilities being thrown out here. The Leafs are playing well; probably at a level where Burke is happy with the progress. Sure, he is always looking to improve the team but I can't see him paying a huge cost for anyone this side of Crosby or Ovechkin.
Sudafederov
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Another confirmation that at least some inquiries are being made
https://twitter.com/#!/NYP_Brooksie/status/141587060451590144
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Larry Brooks
Source: Rangers have had preliminary talks with Anaheim about Bobby Ryan, level of interest, ability to make deal unclear...
https://twitter.com/#!/NYP_Brooksie/status/141587060451590144
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Larry Brooks
Source: Rangers have had preliminary talks with Anaheim about Bobby Ryan, level of interest, ability to make deal unclear...
Anaheim does have money issues.
In mulling this over, I looked at their key dollar impact injuries to see if there might be some synergy for the Leafs to eat some dough:
Jason Blake (LW) $4.0 mil cap hit (last season) ($3 mil cash left) wrist tendon - due back mid Jan
Lubomir Visnovsky (D) $5.6 mil cap hit (2 seasons left $8 mil cash left) broken finger - due back mid Dec
Maybe taking Blake back in some sort of package might help Anaheim free up some dough ... Leafs could waive him to the AHL to avoid cap problems the minute he's healthy. So Blake could be a component of a deal.
Anaheim's special teams % seem ok. It's their 5 on 5 play that seems deadly. Overall, they're scoring a little over 2 goals per game while giving up 3+ goals per game.
Some of it may be that Hiller isn't fully recovered from vertigo even though symptoms are gone. So his $4.5 mil is not movable. And who is going to give up a starter anyway in return?
Some media feels they need a stud on D but who has one of those to give up?
Carlyle called out Getzlaf asking him to worry less about being a captain and worry more about his performance on the ice. Maybe it comes down to one of those two guys that has to go or as the reports say, Ryan is the odd man out.
They tend to be top heavy while their bottom 6 or depth guys seem to be lacking.
I'm still not sure yet what I'd do if I were Burke. Maybe the above will spark some ideas.
In mulling this over, I looked at their key dollar impact injuries to see if there might be some synergy for the Leafs to eat some dough:
Jason Blake (LW) $4.0 mil cap hit (last season) ($3 mil cash left) wrist tendon - due back mid Jan
Lubomir Visnovsky (D) $5.6 mil cap hit (2 seasons left $8 mil cash left) broken finger - due back mid Dec
Maybe taking Blake back in some sort of package might help Anaheim free up some dough ... Leafs could waive him to the AHL to avoid cap problems the minute he's healthy. So Blake could be a component of a deal.
Anaheim's special teams % seem ok. It's their 5 on 5 play that seems deadly. Overall, they're scoring a little over 2 goals per game while giving up 3+ goals per game.
Some of it may be that Hiller isn't fully recovered from vertigo even though symptoms are gone. So his $4.5 mil is not movable. And who is going to give up a starter anyway in return?
Some media feels they need a stud on D but who has one of those to give up?
Carlyle called out Getzlaf asking him to worry less about being a captain and worry more about his performance on the ice. Maybe it comes down to one of those two guys that has to go or as the reports say, Ryan is the odd man out.
They tend to be top heavy while their bottom 6 or depth guys seem to be lacking.
I'm still not sure yet what I'd do if I were Burke. Maybe the above will spark some ideas.
Zee
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cw said:
You always think things through well cw. I guess as Leafs fans we haven't had to ponder a significant fantasy trade in a while, so naturally the Bobby Ryan name leads to speculation given his history with Burke. I'm not holding my breath on this one, nor should I. As mentioned the Leafs are playing well now, and we have our own developing prospects to look forward to. If and when a deal of this magnitude is made, I'm sure we'll hear about it.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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A lot of people in the hockey world are of the opinion that Burke fleeced them in the Lupul/Gardiner for Beuchemin deal, I wonder if that makes them hesitate about trading with us again.
Probably speculative, I know Burke has a good relationship with the GM there and Francois is logging heavy minutes, but still, food for thought.
I'd love to get Ryan though.
Probably speculative, I know Burke has a good relationship with the GM there and Francois is logging heavy minutes, but still, food for thought.
I'd love to get Ryan though.
Redleaf
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I'm gonna guess Anaheim would ask for Colborne, Schenn & a 1st (or perhaps Scrivens). I would also guess Burke counters with Kadri, Franson & Scrivens. If that were the case, the deal would probably lie somewhere in between. Perhaps Kadri, Schenn & Scrivens (and maybe a 2nd or 3rd).
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Yeah as I pointed out, they might still be happy given Francois is loggin 25 minutes a game for them. Just the way Burke maintained he was happy with the Kessel deal.
I was just speculating as to whether privately they might be hesitant is all, as I mentioned, probably idle speculation.
I was just speculating as to whether privately they might be hesitant is all, as I mentioned, probably idle speculation.
I also tried to look at it from Ducks GM Murray's perspective, asking myself "would I blow it up?"
On paper, the roster looks much better than it is performing.
Only one team has come back from such a position to make the playoffs since the lockout (the Caps in '08). So if he can't do something miraculous in the very near future, a partial blow up is in order.
On paper, the roster looks much better than it is performing.
Only one team has come back from such a position to make the playoffs since the lockout (the Caps in '08). So if he can't do something miraculous in the very near future, a partial blow up is in order.
louisstamos
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If Bobby Ryan is coming in, someone from our top-6 has to be going the other way. Grabbo is a UFA after this year, so I don't think it will be him.
One of MacArthur (signed for two more years) or Kulemin (RFA), plus prospects (one or two of Kadri, Colborne, Percy, Blacker, Biggs, Scrivens, etc) and picks (1st will definitely be involved)...
..the issue is, with the team rolling so well, I'd be hesitant to make any deal that would disrupt team chemistry. But as said multiple times in this thread, Ryan is a consistent 30+ goal scorer. They're not made available very often.
One of MacArthur (signed for two more years) or Kulemin (RFA), plus prospects (one or two of Kadri, Colborne, Percy, Blacker, Biggs, Scrivens, etc) and picks (1st will definitely be involved)...
..the issue is, with the team rolling so well, I'd be hesitant to make any deal that would disrupt team chemistry. But as said multiple times in this thread, Ryan is a consistent 30+ goal scorer. They're not made available very often.
bustaheims
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sneakyray said:
Except that Neal has never hit 30 goals or 60 points (which Ryan has done 3 times and twice, respectively) and his career highs in goals and points are less than Ryan's career lows for a full season.
They're similar in that they're similarly sized LWs that were drafted in the 2005 draft, and they play a similar style, but, the similarities really end there.