Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen

[CarltonTheBear]

Right, so basically if we'd made the trade with Buffalo or Edmonton and gotten their second rounder plus a prospect. Not really much difference. I'm sure some would complain but people complain about everything.

Except for the obvious that Edmonton or Buffalo would never make those trades. The only picks available to us were likely in the 16-30 range and in the 46-60 range. Maybe even that's too big of a range as borderline playoff teams would likely not be dealing their 1sts in the fear of possibly falling out and losing a McDavid pick, or just because they don't feel that they're a Franson-away from winning the Cup. So really the range was probably more likely 20-30 and 50-60. The fact that they got something in that first group shouldn't be seen as anything less than a success.

 

[sickbeast]

What are the Leafs lottery odds if they finish in 5th last as they are right now?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What are the Leafs lottery odds if they finish in 5th last as they are right now?

Current lottery standings (and simulator) can be found here: http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/

At 5th the Leafs have an 8.5% chance at McDavid.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Doesn't Nashville have to win the Cup for us to pick 30th? Playoff results determine draft position among playoff teams, not winning the President's Trophy. I feel pretty good about our chances of picking higher than 30th.

What is it with the Leafs and Finnish-born, 3rd overall draft picks by the LA Kings? Aki Berg and now Olli Jokinen. Way to corner that niche market! 

 

[Chris]

Right, so basically if we'd made the trade with Buffalo or Edmonton and gotten their second rounder plus a prospect. Not really much difference. I'm sure some would complain but people complain about everything.

Except for the obvious that Edmonton or Buffalo would never make those trades. The only picks available to us were likely in the 16-30 range and in the 46-60 range. Maybe even that's too big of a range as borderline playoff teams would likely not be dealing their 1sts in the fear of possibly falling out and losing a McDavid pick, or just because they don't feel that they're a Franson-away from winning the Cup. So really the range was probably more likely 20-30 and 50-60. The fact that they got something in that first group shouldn't be seen as anything less than a success.

Right, that was kind of my point though I didn't carry the explanation far enough. We did reasonably well. There are always good players available in the 22-30 range. The trick is identifying them. But if you don't have the pick, you have no chance.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Doesn't Nashville have to win the Cup for us to pick 30th? Playoff results determine draft position among playoff teams, not winning the President's Trophy. I feel pretty good about our chances of picking higher than 30th.

What is it with the Leafs and Finnish-born, 3rd overall draft picks by the LA Kings? Aki Berg and now Olli Jokinen. Way to corner that niche market! 

Yup, rankings for playoff teams are based of success in the playoffs (and then reg. season points). If they get knocked out in the 1st round they likely pick 22nd. If they get knocked out in the 2nd round they likely pick 26th. I personally can't see a team with Riberio as their top centre getting into the Western conference finals, so it will probably be one of those two.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dubois

Ok, I gotta ask, why?

 

[Derk]

What are the Leafs lottery odds if they finish in 5th last as they are right now?

Current lottery standings (and simulator) can be found here: http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/

At 5th the Leafs have an 8.5% chance at McDavid.

Okay, I've run that three times over the last month and every time the Leafs have won. Is this thing rigged or something?

 

[TML fan]

Since we all know the Leafs aren't winning the lottery, who should we realistically be hoping for in this draft, and does that player legitimately have a chance to be a franchise #1 centre?

I'm just asking because I don't know whether or not to be excited about this off season.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Since we all know the Leafs aren't winning the lottery, who should we realistically be hoping for in this draft, and does that player legitimately have a chance to be a franchise #1 centre?

I'm just asking because I don't know whether or not to be excited about this off season.

A few of us talked about this earlier today in another thread:

http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=2444.msg216142#msg216142

 

[Captain Canuck]

FYI, looks like Jokinen will be wearing #11 with the Leafs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I wonder where Jokinen plays in the line-up. Horachek's confirmed he'll be at centre (he's played right-wing for the 1st time in his career all season long in Nashville). Nonis strongly suggested that he could be a trade chip come deadline time if his play improves. The top line's been in shambles for what feels like forever now. Maybe we see Jokinen-Kessel together to try and pad Olli's stats before the deadline?

 

[sickbeast]

I would like to see him with Kessel actually. You never know.

 

[rdowdall]

I would like to see him with Kessel actually. You never know.

If Ollie scores one game winning goal......

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

But looking at his career stats:  1217 NHL games played, and 6 total NHL playoff games.  That's a little depressing.

Outside of the fact that I want Nashville's 1st rounder to be as high a pick as possible, I think it would be hilarious if Jokinen got himself a Cup ring for participating in Nashville's season if they won the Cup, with all of 6 career playoff games under his belt.

 

[lamajama]

I would like to see him with Kessel actually. You never know.

If Ollie scores one game winning goal......

Oh you know he's going to do some damage. He's Ollie Devereaux you know.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Oh you know he's going to do some damage. He's Ollie Devereaux you know.

You know, we all hated Boyd at the time for doing that, but if it wasn't for his hat-trick we'd probably be sitting here with Luke and Brayden Schenn instead of JVR and Kadri. So... thanks Boyd?

 

[Arn]

Is Jokinen a UFA at the end of the year?

Is there any chance he might be a decent player to have around next year during a rebuild?

 

[Kin]

Is Jokinen a UFA at the end of the year?

Is there any chance he might be a decent player to have around next year during a rebuild?

Yes, he is. As to the second part of the question that's something that gets thrown around a lot and I honestly don't think it's all that relevant a question. Or, to put it another way, I don't know if it's something you need to gameplan for. The whole character/mentor stuff I think is going to primarily come from coaches anyway.

I think the guys you want around in a rebuild are the guys who have something prove. Guys who are going to have real motivations to show up every day and play their best for whatever reason. Whether that's a player on a one year deal or someone not ready to call it a career or someone like Grabo last year who was largely passed over in free agency. If the team stinks there's really a limit to the effect locker room stuff is going to have.

 

[Crucialness Key]

Is Jokinen a UFA at the end of the year?

Is there any chance he might be a decent player to have around next year during a rebuild?

Give him a 1-year extension while saying "we will absolutely play you at centre, if you're doing well then we can send you to a legit contender" and we might even get a decent pick back.  Meanwhile Strome/Eichel/?? is developing with the Marlies, gets his feet wet at end of 2015-16 season after Olli traded.