Game 14 - Bruins @ Leafs - Saturday November 5th, 2011 - 19:00 EST - 7-0 L

[iwas11in67]

5-2 Leafs revenge game.

 

[Scot4bz]

Beat them and steal their Stanley Cup for good measure!

GO LEAFS GO!

 

[4th Liner]

I like Scrivens but this isn't Columbus tonight. Boston is always tough on us and with there bad start so far, we are likely to be in a real dog fight in this one. I hope he's up to it.

I think that's the point - he passed the first test (CBJ), let's see how he fairs in a much stiffer test (at home, division rival, cup champs, team we've had trouble with).

Again, if he loses, it was expected, if he steps up in a big way, it's a bonus and we have a decision to make re Gus/Ben going forward.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Rosehill is also in for Dupuis tonight.

YES!

 

[leafplasma]

I think starting Scrivens is probably the better decision from a media savvy sense. If he started Gus and Gus got shelled there'd be some pretty loud cries that starting Scrivens was the smart move. If Scrivens starts and gets shelled then I think people will be more inclined to write it off as a young goalie having a tough start against a good team.

Yeah, I agree with this.

I'm not sure how Gus handles this, but I think it's the right move. Let's see where we are with Scrivens.

I would think he handles it well.  I mean even he cannot deny that Scrivens just put up the best goaltending performance of the season, regardless of the opponent.  He deserves the next start and Gus should realize that.

 

[lc9]

Rosehill is also in for Dupuis tonight.

YES!

Don't know if this is sarcastic or not.

But either way, I don't understand how any NHL team would dress Rosehill for an NHL game.  Big body tough guys are obsolete.  They no longer any purpose.

 

[L K]

I think starting Scrivens is probably the better decision from a media savvy sense. If he started Gus and Gus got shelled there'd be some pretty loud cries that starting Scrivens was the smart move. If Scrivens starts and gets shelled then I think people will be more inclined to write it off as a young goalie having a tough start against a good team.

Really, because when Gus got shelled by them, it was a sign that he is terrible and he can only win against bad teams.  Maybe that should be the case for Scrivens.  If he loses tonight, he's useless and we need a new #3 goaltender.

 

[Fanatic]

I think starting Scrivens is probably the better decision from a media savvy sense. If he started Gus and Gus got shelled there'd be some pretty loud cries that starting Scrivens was the smart move. If Scrivens starts and gets shelled then I think people will be more inclined to write it off as a young goalie having a tough start against a good team.

I would agree with all of that. You have summed that up very well.

I know you hate intangibles but I think there is one here to add. The team played poorly in front of Scrivens but Scrivens saved them and the Leafs got the win. Do they owe him a better effort? Do they owe it to him to not let him hang out to dry again this time?

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

If they let him hang out to dry against the Bruins he's going to get smoked.

 

[Stronger Than All]

Our only ugly loss of the season was against the Bruins.  Time for the revenge game.  Leafs win 5-2.

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bullfrog]

I would think he handles it well.  I mean even he cannot deny that Scrivens just put up the best goaltending performance of the season, regardless of the opponent.  He deserves the next start and Gus should realize that.

That Reimer kid was pretty good in the season opener.

 

[wc17]

I would think he handles it well.  I mean even he cannot deny that Scrivens just put up the best goaltending performance of the season, regardless of the opponent.  He deserves the next start and Gus should realize that.

That Reimer kid was pretty good in the season opener.

Who?

 

[mustacheman]

Rosehill is also in for Dupuis tonight.

YES!

Don't know if this is sarcastic or not.

But either way, I don't understand how any NHL team would dress Rosehill for an NHL game.  Big body tough guys are obsolete.  They no longer any purpose.

If Lucic or Thorton show up to work tonight in bad moods and decide to take liberty's with Kessel or Grabo, who will stop them? Brown's out of his league with those guys and I would prefer not to lose Dion for 5 or worse! Tough guys are not obsolete but rather absolutely needed on some nights.

 

[Kaberle15]

Leafs did not lose in regulaion @ ACC, and tonight is not the night.

3-1 Leafs.

 

[Stebro]

it almost feels as if we're being spoiled now, it's like people expect a win every single game

 

[leafplasma]

I would think he handles it well.  I mean even he cannot deny that Scrivens just put up the best goaltending performance of the season, regardless of the opponent.  He deserves the next start and Gus should realize that.

That Reimer kid was pretty good in the season opener.

Yes he was but he wasn't tested against the Habs like Scrivens was against the Jackets.

 

[princedpw]

Rosehill is also in for Dupuis tonight.

YES!

Don't know if this is sarcastic or not.

But either way, I don't understand how any NHL team would dress Rosehill for an NHL game.  Big body tough guys are obsolete.  They no longer any purpose.

If Lucic or Thorton show up to work tonight in bad moods and decide to take liberty's with Kessel or Grabo, who will stop them? Brown's out of his league with those guys and I would prefer not to lose Dion for 5 or worse! Tough guys are not obsolete but rather absolutely needed on some nights.

See, this reasoning makes no sense to me at all.  Suppose Orr was playing.  He certainly won't be playing with Kessel or Grabbo.  So if Lucic wants to attack Kessel, he still can.  Orr won't be out there to launch himself between any contact between Kessel and Lucic.  I suppose Orr could jump off the bench, but that doesn't happen any more. If coincidentally Orr and Lucic happened to be on the ice at the same time, it doesn't actually prevent Lucic from doing anything to Kessel earlier (or later) in the game if he wants to.  Suppose for a second even that Orr is a much better fighter than Lucic, well if Lucic wants to bug Kessel, he could just turtle if Orr challenged him to a fight earlier or later in the game.  Probably doing so would be to Lucic's advantage because Orr would probably get an instigator penalty, be off the ice, and again Lucic could pick on any Leaf he wanted to.

See, the presence of an enforcer just can't actually stop anyone from doing anything to any smaller star if they actually really want to do it, unless the enforcer is actually on the ice at the time.  And since Orr only plays 2minutes/game, he really ain't on the ice much is he?  And if Lucic did go after Kessel, then the best response isn't to go after Lucic, but is to take out the knees of Seguin or Bergeron or perhaps try to give Thomas an elbow to the head and to do it when Lucic isn't on the ice.

To me, this kind of logic is strikingly similar to Bush-Cheny propaganda:  A bunch of guys from Saudi Arabia took down some planes on 9/11, therefore, logically, to stop that from happening again, we must attack Iraq.

 

[bustaheims]

And if Lucic did go after Kessel, then the best response isn't to go after Lucic, but is to take out the knees of Seguin or Bergeron or perhaps try to give Thomas an elbow to the head and to do it when Lucic isn't on the ice.

And that's why Rosehill is in the line-up tonight. It's not about direct retribution - it never has been. It's about knowing there's a guy on the other team who will take out one of your best players if they feel like you've gone out of your way to do so to one of theirs. It's more of a Cold War type situation - both parties have the weapons, so that they hope to avoid a situation where they feel that they have to use them.

 

[Redleaf]

And if Lucic did go after Kessel, then the best response isn't to go after Lucic, but is to take out the knees of Seguin or Bergeron or perhaps try to give Thomas an elbow to the head and to do it when Lucic isn't on the ice.

And that's why Rosehill is in the line-up tonight. It's not about direct retribution - it never has been. It's about knowing there's a guy on the other team who will take out one of your best players if they feel like you've gone out of your way to do so to one of theirs. It's more of a Cold War type situation - both parties have the weapons, so that they hope to avoid a situation where they feel that they have to use them.

Nice retort. I agree.

 

[mustacheman]

Rosehill is also in for Dupuis tonight.

YES!

Don't know if this is sarcastic or not.

But either way, I don't understand how any NHL team would dress Rosehill for an NHL game.  Big body tough guys are obsolete.  They no longer any purpose.

If Lucic or Thorton show up to work tonight in bad moods and decide to take liberty's with Kessel or Grabo, who will stop them? Brown's out of his league with those guys and I would prefer not to lose Dion for 5 or worse! Tough guys are not obsolete but rather absolutely needed on some nights.

See, this reasoning makes no sense to me at all.  Suppose Orr was playing.  He certainly won't be playing with Kessel or Grabbo.  So if Lucic wants to attack Kessel, he still can.  Orr won't be out there to launch himself between any contact between Kessel and Lucic.  I suppose Orr could jump off the bench, but that doesn't happen any more. If coincidentally Orr and Lucic happened to be on the ice at the same time, it doesn't actually prevent Lucic from doing anything to Kessel earlier (or later) in the game if he wants to.  Suppose for a second even that Orr is a much better fighter than Lucic, well if Lucic wants to bug Kessel, he could just turtle if Orr challenged him to a fight earlier or later in the game.  Probably doing so would be to Lucic's advantage because Orr would probably get an instigator penalty, be off the ice, and again Lucic could pick on any Leaf he wanted to.

See, the presence of an enforcer just can't actually stop anyone from doing anything to any smaller star if they actually really want to do it, unless the enforcer is actually on the ice at the time.  And since Orr only plays 2minutes/game, he really ain't on the ice much is he?  And if Lucic did go after Kessel, then the best response isn't to go after Lucic, but is to take out the knees of Seguin or Bergeron or perhaps try to give Thomas an elbow to the head and to do it when Lucic isn't on the ice.

To me, this kind of logic is strikingly similar to Bush-Cheny propaganda:  A bunch of guys from Saudi Arabia took down some planes on 9/11, therefore, logically, to stop that from happening again, we must attack Iraq.

LOL @ compairing The War in Iraq to icing an enforcer. Are you serious you would rather " Take out the knees of Seguin " than have an enforcer hold another enforcer liable for his actions. I would not want any part of your NHL that for sure. I am certain that Lucic or Thorton would think twice about doing anything stupid with Our talent knowing full well that in a later part of the game Orr would be lined up across from them at the faceoff.