Game 21: Canadiens @ Leafs, 7:30PM, TSN, TSN 1050

[Andy007]

This game has to be attributed in significant respect to Randy's inability/unwillingness to make adjustments.  This Orr fascination with guys like Van Reim and Kessel sitting on the bench is complete insanity.  Get Kadri and Mac out there with Kessel for frick sake.

I'm thinking:

JVR - Grabbo - Kessel
Connolly - Kadri - Mac
Kulemin - Bozak - Komarov
McClaren - Mcclement - Brown

Give the first 2 lines all the O-zone starts.

I really think RC needs to put Grabs with Kessel. Just see what they can do; both are stagnant and playing with inferior offensive talent. But I'd keep Kulemin with them and put JVR with Kadri and MacArthur. Bozak with Komarov and Mclement would be a decent 3rd line IMO and would play more to Bozak's strengths.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Why not play someone like Hamilton or Colborne with Kadri/MacArthur instead of Orr? Still don't get this, Carlyle didn't do this in Anaheim.

Though I'm not about to jump on the coach like he told his entire team to come out with their skates on the wrong feet..

But I agree. I was watching the game and said to my wife, "Why the heck is Orr on a line with the Leafs most exciting forward(Kadri)?" I feel bad for Kadri. One half of the ice has essentially been taken away from him with Orr out there.

I much preferred it with Komarov out there with him.

 

[Andy007]

Orr ruined a couple of great chances for the Kadri line early on. It's moronic to have him on the 3rd line, and reaching, at best, for him to be a regular on the 4th line.

As another poster pointed out, I don't see how Hamilton isn't in the lineup over guys like Steckel, Brown or Orr. He can be tough and at least has the semblance of hands.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Orr ruined a couple of great chances for the Kadri line early on. It's moronic to have him on the 3rd line, and reaching, at best, for him to be a regular on the 4th line.

As another poster pointed out, I don't see how Hamilton isn't in the lineup over guys like Steckel, Brown or Orr. He can be tough and at least has the semblance of hands.

Worth taking a look.

 

[Zee]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

 

[Zee]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

Still was a penalty.  I would have rather had a 2 minute powerplay than a penalty shot.

 

[Deebo]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

I thought penalty shot as soon he went down.

 

[Andy007]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

I thought penalty shot as soon he went down.

Me too. But I also thought Grabovski might actually try to skate on the ps attempt. Oh, and actually shoot too.

 

[louisstamos]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

I thought penalty shot as soon he went down.

Me too. But I also thought Grabovski might actually try to skate on the ps attempt. Oh, and actually shoot too.

To be fair, Grabbo's deke opened up Price's 5 hole huge.  If he went there instead of trying the other side, that's a goal.

 

[hockeyfan1]

On the penalty shot, Grabovski could have scored -- in-between the pads.  Surprised that he failed at the attempt. Oh well, that alone would not have been enough for a win considering the way the Leafs bottomed out in this game.

 

[bustaheims]

To be fair, Grabbo's deke opened up Price's 5 hole huge.  If he went there instead of trying the other side, that's a goal.

I think that's what he was trying to do, but the pick slide a little too far on him.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

Still was a penalty.  I would have rather had a 2 minute powerplay than a penalty shot.

Oh definitely and I said as much watching him go down.

I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but Grabovski actually missed scoring by inches on the original 'breakaway'.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

I thought penalty shot as soon he went down.

24.8 Infractions ? Refer to the Reference Tables ? Table 13 ? Summary of Penalty Shots for a list of the infractions that shall result in a penalty shot being awarded (see specific rule numbers for complete descriptions).

There are four (4) specific conditions that must be met in order for the Referee to award a penalty shot for a player being fouled from behind. They are:

(i)  The infraction must have taken place in the neutral zone or attacking zone, (i.e. over the puck carrier?s own blue line);

(ii)  The infraction must have been committed from behind;

(iii)  The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have been denied a reasonable chance to score (the fact that he got a shot off does not automatically eliminate this play from the penalty shot consideration criteria. If the foul was from behind and he was denied a ?more? reasonable scoring opportunity due to the foul, then the penalty shot should be awarded);

(iv)  The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have had no opposing player between himself and the goalkeeper.

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I didn't think he was tripped from behind...I'll be sure to rewatch it again.

 

[Zee]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

I thought penalty shot as soon he went down.

24.8 Infractions ? Refer to the Reference Tables ? Table 13 ? Summary of Penalty Shots for a list of the infractions that shall result in a penalty shot being awarded (see specific rule numbers for complete descriptions).

There are four (4) specific conditions that must be met in order for the Referee to award a penalty shot for a player being fouled from behind. They are:

(i)  The infraction must have taken place in the neutral zone or attacking zone, (i.e. over the puck carrier?s own blue line);

(ii)  The infraction must have been committed from behind;

(iii)  The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have been denied a reasonable chance to score (the fact that he got a shot off does not automatically eliminate this play from the penalty shot consideration criteria. If the foul was from behind and he was denied a ?more? reasonable scoring opportunity due to the foul, then the penalty shot should be awarded);

(iv)  The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have had no opposing player between himself and the goalkeeper.

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I didn't think he was tripped from behind...I'll be sure to rewatch it again.

It was close enough to be considered a penalty shot.  The refs don't have instant replay to watch so it's a split second decision. 

 

[bustaheims]

It was close enough to be considered a penalty shot.  The refs don't have instant replay to watch so it's a split second decision.

Yeah. I'd say it was right on the border of whether or not it should have been. A 2 minute penalty would probably have been the more correct call, but the penalty shot was not unwarranted.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

It was close enough to be considered a penalty shot.  The refs don't have instant replay to watch so it's a split second decision.

I agree. I also think the Brown hit was close enough to make the error in judgement that he tagged him straight on from behind. Especially from the angle the referee was watching it from(which was across the ice at the hash marks I believe.

In slow mo, it's much easier to break things down.

 

[Deebo]

I know the entire team sucked, but are refs and linesmen ever held accountable for anything?  The major on Brown and the ridiculous faceoff that is the winning goal?  Who knows if those 2 things don't happen maybe the outcome is different.

Perhaps..But when you get outplayed and outshot that badly, you know, you kind of deserve it....Karma.


BTW, the major on Brown was ridiculous, but so was the penalty shot call. That was in no way a breakaway opportunity for Grabovski.

I thought penalty shot as soon he went down.

24.8 Infractions ? Refer to the Reference Tables ? Table 13 ? Summary of Penalty Shots for a list of the infractions that shall result in a penalty shot being awarded (see specific rule numbers for complete descriptions).

There are four (4) specific conditions that must be met in order for the Referee to award a penalty shot for a player being fouled from behind. They are:

(i)  The infraction must have taken place in the neutral zone or attacking zone, (i.e. over the puck carrier?s own blue line);

(ii)  The infraction must have been committed from behind;

(iii)  The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have been denied a reasonable chance to score (the fact that he got a shot off does not automatically eliminate this play from the penalty shot consideration criteria. If the foul was from behind and he was denied a ?more? reasonable scoring opportunity due to the foul, then the penalty shot should be awarded);

(iv)  The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the puck) must have had no opposing player between himself and the goalkeeper.

I didn't think he was tripped from behind...I'll be sure to rewatch it again.

It was more a case of it "looking like" a penalty shot rather than any real evaluation. I didn't see any replays, just my initial reaction was penalty shot so I can see why the ref would have called it that.