Game 6: Leafs @ Sabres 7:00PM LeafsTV

[bustaheims]

Read this nutman.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/article/North-American-Journal-Psychology/256864603.html

Hardly a surprise that the examples they cite as noise having the most obvious impact are actions that require the most concentration and focus.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Read this nutman.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/article/North-American-Journal-Psychology/256864603.html

Now, right here, this is some optimism.

Was mostly hoping it would cause some sort of shirt circuit in the UltimateFan5000Robotatron and we could end the repetitive back and forth.

 

[nutman]

Read this nutman.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/article/North-American-Journal-Psychology/256864603.html

And this answers questions posed in a Hockey fourm, how?.
noise in an arena is for fan enjoyment, and a loud building will have a better affect on a player then a quiet building. oh and polls suck, because they cant be consistent enough from place to place and time to time.

 

[TimKerr]

Read this nutman.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/article/North-American-Journal-Psychology/256864603.html

And this answers questions posed in a Hockey fourm, how?.
noise in an arena is for fan enjoyment, and a loud building will have a better affect on a player then a quiet building. oh and polls suck, because they cant be consistent enough from place to place and time to time.

What is the loudest arena in the league?

It must be in Vancouver or LA right? The President's Trophy winners and the Stanley Cup Champs.
Or else maybe a loud arena doesn't have the effect you say it has.

 

[Kin]

Yup. Lousy poll there WIGWAL.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Yup. Lousy poll there WIGWAL.

Especially when it wasn't conducted in Narnia The ACC where the noise has a special impact.

 

[nutman]

Got to go it was fun cranking you guys  ;D

 

[Bullfrog]

Having competed in competitive sports, I can attest that the general atmosphere can have some impact, particularly when you're fading. But generally, I was completely tuned out to what was happening around me. I competed in Tae Kwon Do, wrestling, and volleyball. In the one-on-one competitions, I found it especially irrelevant.

 

[Kin]

Having competed in competitive sports, I can attest that the general atmosphere can have some impact, particularly when you're fading. But generally, I was completely tuned out to what was happening around me. I competed in Tae Kwon Do, wrestling, and volleyball. In the one-on-one competitions, I found it especially irrelevant.

With all due respect though there's a pretty big gap between participating in competitive sports and playing it professionally in front of thousands of fans every night. I used to love it as a HS football player when we'd get crowds out to our games and it probably amped me up some but I don't think that shines much of a light on what a Go Leafs Go chant means to these guys on a given night.

 

[dappleganger]

If you look at the Jets home and away record there is some circumstantial evidence that a loud home crowd can have a positive effect on a team.

 

[Kin]

If you look at the Jets home and away record there is some circumstantial evidence that a loud home crowd can have a positive effect on a team.

Not really. They had a good home/road split but it wasn't all that remarkable. Teams like Florida or Dallas or even Atlanta, none of whom could be accused of having particularly jumping home crowds, have had similar splits.

 

[dappleganger]

If you look at the Jets home and away record there is some circumstantial evidence that a loud home crowd can have a positive effect on a team.

Not really. They had a good home/road split but it wasn't all that remarkable. Teams like Florida or Dallas or even Atlanta, none of whom could be accused of having particularly jumping home crowds, have had similar splits.

None of that disproves whether or not the Jets get a boost from their home crowd. It can't be proven. All you can say is it might be a factor in the disparity between their home and away record.

 

[Kin]

None of that disproves whether or not the Jets get a boost from their home crowd. It can't be proven. All you can say is it might be a factor in the disparity between their home and away record.

I don't think it's incumbent on anyone to disprove an idea like that but if the idea that a loud home building had a disproportionate effect on a team's record compared to a team with a less loud building there would be actual evidence for it. Teams with louder buildings would have home W-L records that consistently exceeded the norm. There is no such pattern that I can see after looking over the last 7 years of home/road splits.

Does that disprove it? No, but if something doesn't have evidence to support it then there's no need to disprove it.

 

[Bullfrog]

Having competed in competitive sports, I can attest that the general atmosphere can have some impact, particularly when you're fading. But generally, I was completely tuned out to what was happening around me. I competed in Tae Kwon Do, wrestling, and volleyball. In the one-on-one competitions, I found it especially irrelevant.

With all due respect though there's a pretty big gap between participating in competitive sports and playing it professionally in front of thousands of fans every night. I used to love it as a HS football player when we'd get crowds out to our games and it probably amped me up some but I don't think that shines much of a light on what a Go Leafs Go chant means to these guys on a given night.

With all due respect, no bulloney there's a relevant gap.

 

[dappleganger]

None of that disproves whether or not the Jets get a boost from their home crowd. It can't be proven. All you can say is it might be a factor in the disparity between their home and away record.

I don't think it's incumbent on anyone to disprove an idea like that but if the idea that a loud home building had a disproportionate effect on a team's record compared to a team with a less loud building there would be actual evidence for it. Teams with louder buildings would have home W-L records that consistently exceeded the norm. There is no such pattern that I can see after looking over the last 7 years of home/road splits.

Does that disprove it? No, but if something doesn't have evidence to support it then there's no need to disprove it.

Of the teams you mentioned (last full season)

Dallas
Home: 22-16-3
Away: 20-19-2

Florida
Home: 21-9-11
Away: 17-17-7

Atlanta
Home:17-17-7
Away: 17-19-5

Winnipeg
Home: 23-13-5
Away: 14-22-5

The stats don't back up your claim. Since you checked ill ask, is there any team over the last 7 seasons that had a similar split between home and away as the Jets did last season?

 

[Kin]

Of the teams you mentioned (last full season)

Dallas
Home: 22-16-3
Away: 20-19-2

Florida
Home: 21-9-11
Away: 17-17-7

Atlanta
Home:17-17-7
Away: 17-19-5

Winnipeg
Home: 23-13-5
Away: 14-22-5

That stats don't back up your claim.

Actually, they do. I didn't say those clubs did it last year, I said they've had similar splits. That teams don't do it year in and year out is evidence that there isn't a strong relationship between the noise in a building and a team's home record.

Since you checked ill ask, is there any team over the last 7 seasons that had a similar split between home and away as the Jets did last season?

Way, way too many to list them all. Here's a few:

NY Islanders 2009-10
Home: 23-14-4 Away: 11-23-7

Columbus Blue Jackets 2009-10
Home: 20-12-9 Away: 12-23-6

Florida Panthers 2006-2007
Home: 23-12-6 Away: 12-19-10

Florida Panthers 2005-2006
Home: 25-11-5 Away: 12-23-6

St. Louis Blues 2010-11
Home: 23-13-5 Away: 15-20-6

And on and on it goes. Like I said, it's not an especially noteworthy thing for a team to have that drastic a split.

 

[dappleganger]

Of the teams you mentioned (last full season)

Dallas
Home: 22-16-3
Away: 20-19-2

Florida
Home: 21-9-11
Away: 17-17-7

Atlanta
Home:17-17-7
Away: 17-19-5

Winnipeg
Home: 23-13-5
Away: 14-22-5

That stats don't back up your claim.

Actually, they do. I didn't say those clubs did it last year, I said they've had similar splits. That teams don't do it year in and year out is evidence that there isn't a strong relationship between the noise in a building and a team's home record.

Since you checked ill ask, is there any team over the last 7 seasons that had a similar split between home and away as the Jets did last season?

Way, way too many to list them all. Here's a few:

NY Islanders 2009-10
Home: 23-14-4 Away: 11-23-7

Columbus Blue Jackets 2009-10
Home: 20-12-9 Away: 12-23-6

Florida Panthers 2006-2007
Home: 23-12-6 Away: 12-19-10

Florida Panthers 2005-2006
Home: 25-11-5 Away: 12-23-6

St. Louis Blues 2010-11
Home: 23-13-5 Away: 15-20-6

And on and on it goes. Like I said, it's not an especially noteworthy thing for a team to have that drastic a split.

Outliers Nik, outliers.

 

[bustaheims]

Outliers Nik, outliers.

I'd say there's enough of them to indicate a trend, actually. Certainly enough to call Winnipeg's supposed fan-based home ice advantage into question.

 

[Peter D.]

Was at the game last night, so a few points from my live perspective:

- McClement was the Leafs' best player in my eyes.  I didn't think much of him when we signed him, but his offensive instincts are better than I thought, he skates well, and is reliable on the defensive side of things.  Did not look out of place at all beside Grabovski and Kulemin.

- Frattin was the next best player.  He just goes about his business and was humming all night.  Many of us in the section thought the OT goal was going to be a dead play and were anticipating, and then he showed that burst of speed and squeezed it through Miller (which was a brutal goal).  Showing he deserves to stay up.

- Franson had a real good game as well.  If only he played like this more consistently.  On the flipside, he just might if he was playing on a more consistent basis.

- Reimer was sound; did enough to get the job done.  The Grigorenko goal was on the weaker side (especially when you are trying to hold a 1-goal lead), but he made the saves that needed to be made.

- I like this Kulemin way better than the one last year.  Way more engaging.

- Kostka has been a good story and has played well, but why he is on the 1st PP unit over Liles is beyond me.  Liles' talent is being absolutely wasted.

- Kessel needs a goal and then he'll get going.  He's snake bit right now. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

- Reimer was sound; did enough to get the job done.  The Grigorenko goal was on the weaker side (especially when you are trying to hold a 1-goal lead), but he made the saves that needed to be made.

Except for that one. 

Thanks for your impressions!