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Brian Glennie said:1. Somebody said we could get a 5th overall for Phaneuf.
Well, no. jdh1 said "how about we send them Phaneuf for the fifth overall pick" and not "Phaneuf is worth the fifth overall pick".
Brian Glennie said:2. I said Nonis wouldn't even be offered what Calgary got for him in 2010.
Right, and I said that you're overestimating the difference in value between what the Leafs dealt for him last time and the fifth overall pick. Last year the 9th overall pick went for Corey Schneider, a back-up goalie with potential to be a very good starter. The Leafs traded two good young players at two valuable positions plus someone on pace for a near 30 goal season for Phaneuf.
Like I said, you're buying into a false narrative. The idea that we gave "nothing" for Phaneuf just isn't true. If the Leafs had traded the players in the Phaneuf deal individually at the deadline they probably could have got multiple first and second round picks.
Brian Glennie said:3. Busta and Tigger said no, in fact, he was actually worth a lot more, both then as well as now, and the only reason Calgary undersold was because Brian Burke was the only GM they let know that Phaneuf was available. Just him.
No. They said that we don't know if they shopped him around. I appreciate that you want to paint that as ridiculous but it's not. Sometimes a team simply doesn't want to offer a player around because they want to deal him with a minimum of noise and disruption, like the Bruins did with Joe Thornton. Sometimes a team will simply work out a deal they really like with the first team they call. I don't buy into the idea that Phaneuf was drastically undersold in 2010 but even if I did, teams make bad trades all the time.
Brian Glennie said:4. Gee, I said, Really? That seems like an awfully strange way to go about dealing such a big name player and when I looked it up I found stuff like this:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/blog/_/name/lebrun_pierre/id/4808038/nhl-calgary-flames-gm-denies-dion-phaneuf-trade-block
And a lot can change in the month between that article and when the trade actually got made. Again, when Thornton was traded I think everyone was surprised because if there'd been the slightest hint he was available this board would have had roughly 8 billion threads suggesting trades for him. Not every decision made by GM's is as meticulously planned as you seem to think. I don't think it requires too much investigation to look at the Flames management at the time and come to the conclusion that they didn't always make the smartest decision possible.