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Goaltending conundrum

It's been an interesting season goalie wise.  Coming into it I along with many other Leafs fans were so high on Reimer, and things started out great with that 4-0-1 record.  Then Gustavsson starts and gets shelled, Reimer gets injured soon after and Gustavsson struggles.  I was ready to throw him under the bus, give Scrivens the job.  It's a testament to Jonas's mental makeup the way he's battled through everything so far.  I'm glad to see him performing well now.  Hope it keeps  up, he could give the Leafs the same unexpected goalie boost that Reimer did last season from Jan onwards. 
 
Another good night for Gustavsson - 37 saves on 40 shots.

However at 3-3 I was wondering, had we lost the game from 3-0 up, would Reimer have started the next game, cos even at that point I felt Gus had been one of our better players. As it was he made a couple of huge saves right at the end to preserve the win.
 
Arn said:
Another good night for Gustavsson - 37 saves on 40 shots.

However at 3-3 I was wondering, had we lost the game from 3-0 up, would Reimer have started the next game, cos even at that point I felt Gus had been one of our better players. As it was he made a couple of huge saves right at the end to preserve the win.

He was making saves in traffic.  That's what's impressing me.
 
Gus played a great game - even better than his shutout against the Jets, despite letting in 3, from where I was sitting.  I think the first one was a high stick, if only barely (but I agree with the decision that the footage was not conclusive), and the second and third were largely due to some soft/tired D.  He made some amazing saves, and looked confident throughout.
 
Reimer needs one of the next three starts.  I'm thinking the second game against Buffalo on Friday so that you can go Gus-Reimer-Gus.  Jonas deserves the starts right now but you don't want to ride him too hard and burn him out and it doesn't do any good to have Reimer sit on the bench for a month between starts like they were doing to Gus.
 
L K said:
Reimer needs one of the next three starts.  I'm thinking the second game against Buffalo on Friday so that you can go Gus-Reimer-Gus.  Jonas deserves the starts right now but you don't want to ride him too hard and burn him out and it doesn't do any good to have Reimer sit on the bench for a month between starts like they were doing to Gus.

I agree.  They're a tandem.
 
Well there are two days between each Buffalo game, I'd see how Jonas does in the first one Tuesday and if he continues his solid play I'd put him back in Friday and maybe give Reimer the Rangers game on Saturday. Six of one...

Really encouraging to see Jonas play so well and just flat out battle, he's turned some kind of corner from his body language.
 
In my opinion we see Gus play his best when he allows his game to stray slightly from the "Allaire" style of goaltending. When he isn't relying solely on the robotic positional play we can see that there is more fluidity to his game and he is not afraid to go for the diving poke check (for example)
 
Right now the bottom line is wins, so as long as the Monster is playing this awsome stand up shut the door goaltending, he should stay in. as for Riemer, when he does get the chance he will be much better, knowing that the Monster wont mean a free ticket for him to stay in the net anymore.

And this is a great problem. ;D
 
We_Miss_Sundin said:
In my opinion we see Gus play his best when he allows his game to stray slightly from the "Allaire" style of goaltending. When he isn't relying solely on the robotic positional play we can see that there is more fluidity to his game and he is not afraid to go for the diving poke check (for example)
Agreed.  IMHO, the 'robotic positional play' initially hurt his game but he's taken something from it. 
 
nutman said:
Right now the bottom line is wins, so as long as the Monster is playing this awsome stand up shut the door goaltending, he should stay in. as for Riemer, when he does get the chance he will be much better, knowing that the Monster wont mean a free ticket for him to stay in the net anymore.

And this is a great problem. ;D

I agree. Gus looks like a starter and Reimer looks like a backup.There is no reason why Gus couldn't play 7 or 8 in a row.
 
WAYNEINIONA said:
nutman said:
Right now the bottom line is wins, so as long as the Monster is playing this awsome stand up shut the door goaltending, he should stay in. as for Riemer, when he does get the chance he will be much better, knowing that the Monster wont mean a free ticket for him to stay in the net anymore.

And this is a great problem. ;D

There is no reason why Gus couldn't play 7 or 8 in a row.

Yes there is. You can't let Reimer get too rusty. As already mentioned, James will be better when he gets his chance. I would bet on it.
 
I think Reimer is more of a typical Allaire goalie. He is a "passive" positional goalie - very calm (and calming) when he is in his groove.

Gus is more of a "reaction" goalie - more exciting to watch (not always in a good way). In recent games he has looked very confident and has made some "ballsy" saves, like the aggressive  sliding poke check he made last night after Detroit scored their second goal.

I think a number of us wondered if Allaire was hurting Gus given that his style didn't necessarily mesh with the style Allaire preaches. Perhaps they have found a compromise.
 
There seems to be this belief that Allaire tries to convert all goaltenders into replicas of each other. While I think he may advocate a style, I'm finding it hard to believe he doesn't appreciate each goaltender's unique talents and abilities and consequently adapts.
 
Bullfrog said:
There seems to be this belief that Allaire tries to convert all goaltenders into replicas of each other. While I think he may advocate a style, I'm finding it hard to believe he doesn't appreciate each goaltender's unique talents and abilities and consequently adapts.

I wonder if what we say Allaire do was break Gustavsson down to build him back up.  Last year it seemed like Gustavsson's game fell apart as he got stuck in this in-between land where he tried to play more positionally but was facing shots at bad angles and it was messing with his ability to make athletic saves. 

Lately it seems like Gus has been relying more on his physical attributes to makes saves (he's done the diving save/poke-check way out of the crease thing 3 or 4 times this year and he wasn't really doing that last year) but he's also a lot more sound in the net. 

One thing that I think is maybe a little underrated for his play is that he's kicking his rebounds to teammates for the most part.  Sometimes, the puck is going to higher pressure zones (the slot, out to the half-boards) but it's being picked up by his defense to get the puck out of the zone.  Millen keeps whining about Gustavsson's rebound control, and so I started watching it more, and it really seems like he's kicking it away from the opposition on a pretty routine basis.  Gustavsson was never a guy who used soft pads that had the puck drop at his feet like Belfour did.  I wish Millen would clue in to that instead of complaining about the fact that Gus doesn't hold every single shot for a whistle.

I want to know if Allaire is the guy getting his goalies to do the swinging poke-check behind the net though.  Reimer did it a time or two earlier in the year and it was funny to see a goalie do it for the first time since the 70s, but Gustavsson is doing it pretty much every other game now.  I don't remember him doing that last year.
 
L K said:
I want to know if Allaire is the guy getting his goalies to do the swinging poke-check behind the net though.  Reimer did it a time or two earlier in the year and it was funny to see a goalie do it for the first time since the 70s, but Gustavsson is doing it pretty much every other game now.  I don't remember him doing that last year.

Yeah I noticed that too. I saw it as a good sign of his confidence.
 
riff raff said:
L K said:
I want to know if Allaire is the guy getting his goalies to do the swinging poke-check behind the net though.  Reimer did it a time or two earlier in the year and it was funny to see a goalie do it for the first time since the 70s, but Gustavsson is doing it pretty much every other game now.  I don't remember him doing that last year.

Yeah I noticed that too. I saw it as a good sign of his confidence.

Scrivens did a great one in ones of his starts.
 
I think Gustavsson looks right in the Allaire mold.  Against Detroit the majority of his saves were due to him being calm in the net, and being positionally sound.  Pucks were being shot through screens all night, and they were hitting him due to his positioning - making himself big in the net.
 

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