Goaltending conundrum
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bustaheims
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Omallley said:
Sure, but, as we both know and have seen time and time again, fans tend to not have the best grasp of trade values and they also tend to be much more emotional than management (or, at least, they maintain those emotions for longer). I just can't see Vancouver moving Luongo with getting a substantial return. They're in a tough spot because of his contract and his NTC, and, at the end of the day, they may just be forced into moving Schneider instead (though, that could also be an interesting situation - if they don't move him and some team signs him to a 1 year offer sheet, should Vancouver match, they won't be allowed to trade him this season and he'll become a UFA on July 1st).
Omallley said:
His NTC comes in to play as well. There may be better offers, but they might be from teams that he won't go to. For that matter we are all assuming that he would come to the Leafs, which he might not. I would have to go through the teams that really need a #1 goalie and see what they could offer up. I wonder if teams like the Devils or Red Wings would get in to the bidding.
Corn Flake
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bustaheims said:
So let Schneider reach RFA which I have no doubt will happen and sign him to a 2-year $15 mil contract.
*runs*
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
No way Vancouver matches that and it costs the team that does a bundle in draft picks (two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd). So, no. A 1 year, ~$3.5M type deal might entice Schneider to sign and makes things tough for Vancouver - the compensation would likely be a 2nd round pick (depending on where the final numbers fall - could be a 1st and a 3rd - but, the offer can be massaged to fit just under whatever the threshold will be, and it's ~$3.13M right now). The compensation isn't good enough for them to walkaway so easily, but the cap hit makes things uncomfortable. If they match, they can't trade him for the entirety of the 1 year contract (can't trade players that were retained by a matched offer sheet for a full year after it's matched) and he'll be 27 before July 1st, 2013, and, barring any drastic changes to the way UFA eligibility is calculated . . . if the situation isn't dealt with shortly after the draft, things could get very interesting there.
maplesyrup
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I really like the offer sheet idea - Really give Vancouver something to bitch about. 8)
bustaheims
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Sarge said:
It's not a road I see Burke taking, but, it wouldn't shock me if someone tried it. Signed offer sheets are rare, but, this is sort of a unique situation where something pretty much has to happen with the goaltending situation in Vancouver, and where a 1 year offer sheet really forces their hand. Now, the smart move for Vancouver (if the situation isn't settled) would be to take Schneider to arbitration, removing the threat of an offer sheet, but, not the risk of a 1 year deal (since it would make him a UFA for 2013, I assume Schneider would opt for a 1 year deal in this scenario). They'd still be able to trade him, though, I would imagine Cory Schneider the impending UFA would have less trade value than Cory Schneider the RFA my team has had contract discussions with and have already agreed to a long term deal with.
bustaheims
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Based on the scenarios I've laid out, my guess is Vancouver's decision RE: Luongo will be heavily dependant on whether or not they can get Schneider signed to a multi-season deal.
Heroic Shrimp
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Omallley said:
For what it's worth, a Vancouver writer (I forget who) who was on the air with Jeff Blair not long ago felt Luongo's trade value would be roughly a second rounder.
Zee
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I don't think Vancouver even considers trading Schneider. He's younger and already better than Luongo. The Canucks couldn't score enough, but Luongo did give up 7 goals in 2 games. That's not good enough for the playoffs. Schneider gave up 4 goals in 3 games, so he gave his team a chance to win in each game.
Britishbulldog
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I could easily see New Jersey making an offer for Luongo especially with Brodeur finishing his career and Schneider signing a deal in Vancouver and Toronto missing out on both.
I could see Burke thinking that Jonas Hiller is the answer.
I could see Burke thinking that Jonas Hiller is the answer.
the dingo ate my baby
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Britishbulldog said:
Is New Jersey the type of team that would lock into a long, ridiculous contract?
Britishbulldog
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the dingo ate my baby said:Britishbulldog said:
Is New Jersey the type of team that would lock into a long, ridiculous contract?
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