Stickytape
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Attaboy Ben!RedLeaf said:
Although, to be fair, he only faced 20 shots in his first game. Back here in Toronto we call that "the first period".
Goaltending Showdown - Reimer vs. Bernier
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Although, to be fair, he only faced 20 shots in his first game. Back here in Toronto we call that "the first period".
Mot the Barber
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princedpw said:
After 40 games anyone could make a determination.
princedpw said:
At the end of the day, yeah, stop the puck any way you can. But if he's putting the play at higher risk by giving out juicy rebounds and leaving half the net open when he isn't Dominic Hasek then he probably needs to work on form.
Moneyball did show that form doesn't always matter. Unfortunately, this isn't baseball, and even then, the example isn't that form "never matters." If a pitch is hard and accurate then HOW a pitcher throws is not relevant. If a goaltender follows a certain blocking style shows holes in his game that can be worked on with a goaltending coach then that's a totally different thing we're talking about.
moon111
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I personally like when a goalie does a little theatrics with a save every now and then. Bernier has built confidence by showing off he can make the big save. A save is a save, but I think the skaters would chose Bernier over Reimer even if they both had the same save percentage.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Stickytape said:
This cracked me up, well played sir.
Crucialness Key
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I'm glad that even in a 6-5 firewagon win, Bernier was able to make a game-saving save. Hopefully that eased the potential blow to his confidence.
Reimer gets the start tonight. It's just my opinion, and thus not worth a whole lot, but I was hoping for Bernier to get the chance to play after a bad game and see how he responds. It's possible that Bernier has never had the chance (at the NHL level) to play immediately after a lousy outing. I thought he should go again..... but, again, just my 2 cents.
Tigger said:
He did well, but one thing you cannot say about his game is that it is calm.
Tonight I really noticed how many times he gave up a rebound, which he should have controlled, and that led to 2nd and 3rd chances. He is his own worst enemy and compared to Bernier it is not hard to see why the team wanted someone else in there.
I like Reimer and want him to do well - especially as a Leaf! - but his game is not the same as Bernier's
Stickytape
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gunnar36 said:
He seems to have a "take one shot, get a second shot of equal or lesser value FREE" policy going on.
OldTimeHockey
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It may not be the same game as Bernier but he outright stole that game tonight and that is all that matters.
hockeyfan1
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OldTimeHockey said:
Agree. Those fourteen shots alone in the 2nd period (?) were pivotal in keeping the team in the game. This win was his for the taking and he earned the victory (along with contributions from the Leafs d-men on the offence).
Stickytape
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hockeyfan1 said:
I get the picture that I'm the odd-man out here, but I didn't think Reimer had that marvelous of a game. He made some massive stops, that's for sure, but he got a bit lucky on rebounds, and played the puck poorly. There were several times when the Leafs badly needed a shift change, and Reimer just could not find a way to trap the puck. And several of his puck plays essentially forced turnovers. Both of these things are recurring problems with him.
That may just be me being picky, though - I really like Reimer and I don't like the way people feel he's either stealing games or letting everything in, with nothing in between. Sometimes he just has an average or pretty good game. This was a pretty good game, but not a great one, and not a steal IMO.
OldTimeHockey
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Stickytape said:
How you can consider a game where the Leafs were outshot 3-1 not a steal for the goalie is beyond me.
However, I do get the issues you have with his style of play. I've had the same issues from the start. I also had the same issues with Curtis Joseph's play 10 years ago. But, as long as they get it done, I kind of have to accept it. Reimer got it done all year last year including stealing a game or two from the B's in the playoffs. What boggles my mind is how quickly this board has turned on him after only seeing his counterpart 4 times.
Bernier makes one easy save and holds on for a face off. Reimer makes one easy save and kicks it back out to the opposition who then take shots two and three and Reimer makes outstanding saves on those.
In that scenario the shots are either 1-0 with 1 decent save by Bernier or 3-0 with a decent save and 2 great saves by Reimer. We could talk about how great saves 2 and 3 were and how Reimer is facing tons of shots and keeping the Leafs in it..... or we could wonder why he cannot control shot 1 to begin with and keep things simple and less dangerous.
In that scenario the shots are either 1-0 with 1 decent save by Bernier or 3-0 with a decent save and 2 great saves by Reimer. We could talk about how great saves 2 and 3 were and how Reimer is facing tons of shots and keeping the Leafs in it..... or we could wonder why he cannot control shot 1 to begin with and keep things simple and less dangerous.
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Michael said:
That's kindof where I was going to go with that. I think the difference might be masked a little by the fact that the Leafs are consistently running below 40% in faceoffs, so even when Bernier gets a whistle, they usually lose the draw and wind up facing shots again anyway.
But the point stands that a goalie's style and ability contributes to the shot count, and some second and third saves, no matter how beautiful, ideally shouldn't even happen in the first place.