Goaltending Showdown - Reimer vs. Bernier

[Bullfrog]

That stat would be more meaningful if it could be broken down to how many shots are a result of rebounds. Is such a stat available?

 

[Kin]

That stat would be more meaningful if it could be broken down to how many shots are a result of rebounds.

I don't see how. I'm not claiming that the differences between them are just rebound-related.

 

[ZBBM]

This back and forth isn't doing either goalie any favours.

I disagree.  Neither have earned the #1 out and out, and the team has benefitted by never needing to overplay a goalie during a compressed schedule.  That may pay dividends toward the end of the season.

 

[Redleaf]

So, is this this winding down now, or what?

 

[2badknees]

So, is this this winding down now, or what?

Not until Reimer gets dealt to Flames, it ain't. 

 

[Bullfrog]

That stat would be more meaningful if it could be broken down to how many shots are a result of rebounds.

I don't see how. I'm not claiming that the differences between them are just rebound-related.

Oh, I know. I'm just wondering if there's something that can help explain the differences. That is, is it the goalie's style that's contributing to the increase in shots? The way the players play in front of the goalie? etc.?

 

[bustaheims]

So, is this this winding down now, or what?

When neither goalie has been consistent enough to be considered a true starting goalie? No.

 

[Redleaf]

So, is this this winding down now, or what?

When neither goalie has been consistent enough to be considered a true starting goalie? No.

How about now? After a win at the big house? It's pretty clear Carlyle has made up his mind, or is that Nonis?

 

[bustaheims]

How about now? After a win at the big house? It's pretty clear Carlyle has made up his mind, or is that Nonis?

The number of starts is still pretty even - Bernier has 23 to Reimer's 18. I wouldn't say anyone has made up their mind. Bernier's getting more starts right now because he's been better recently, but, my point still stands. Neither has been consistent enough to be considered the starter. Neither has really been better than the other when you take into account their entire season. Neither goalie is ready to be named starter.

 

[bakeapples]

All over now - Reimer lost it. That Detroit game was terrible - 2 of the goals were peewee house league. Too many team demoralizing goals and post reactions from Reimer for too long now.

 

[2badknees]

Nah, not even close to over. Bernier's playing because he's playing well. Reimer will get his chance again.

I can't recall the Leafs ever having a this sort of quality tandem since.. maybe Potvin and Fuhr? Good times!

 

[Peter D.]

I wouldn't say Reimer's lost the battle, but I think there is a bit more distance between the two right now. Rightly or wrongly, I just don't see Carlyle giving Reimer the opportunities that Bernier is being afforded.

Although I am surprised to see the number of starts each has had thus far. Seems like it's been even greater in Bernier's favor. Probably because he's come in and relieved Reimer four times.

 

[AvroArrow]

I wouldn't say Reimer's lost the battle, but I think there is a bit more distance between the two right now. Rightly or wrongly, I just don't see Carlyle giving Reimer the opportunities that Bernier is being afforded.

Although I am surprised to see the number of starts each has had thus far. Seems like it's been even greater in Bernier's favor. Probably because he's come in and relieved Reimer four times.

I feel a little bad for Reimer - he needs a few games to get going, but with the way Carlyle's playing him, it's just not gonna happen.

 

[mr grieves]

I wouldn't say Reimer's lost the battle, but I think there is a bit more distance between the two right now. Rightly or wrongly, I just don't see Carlyle giving Reimer the opportunities that Bernier is being afforded.

Although I am surprised to see the number of starts each has had thus far. Seems like it's been even greater in Bernier's favor. Probably because he's come in and relieved Reimer four times.

I feel a little bad for Reimer - he needs a few games to get going, but with the way Carlyle's playing him, it's just not gonna happen.

There's still a half season left, and Bernier, as far as I know, hasn't had a starter's workload to the extent that Reimer's had. I wouldn't be surprised if Bernier cools off, Reimer works himself back in and holds the net for a decent chunk of games.

But it does looked settled -- for the next few games at least:

Rob Longley ‏@longleysunsport 4h
Carlyle on Bernier: As long as he remains hot "it would be foolish to look another direction."

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I wouldn't say Reimer's lost the battle, but I think there is a bit more distance between the two right now. Rightly or wrongly, I just don't see Carlyle giving Reimer the opportunities that Bernier is being afforded.

Although I am surprised to see the number of starts each has had thus far. Seems like it's been even greater in Bernier's favor. Probably because he's come in and relieved Reimer four times.

I feel a little bad for Reimer - he needs a few games to get going, but with the way Carlyle's playing him, it's just not gonna happen.

Didn't Reimer started a few in a row when Bernier was nursing an injury? I'm also pretty sure that the last game resulted in 3 goals against on 12 shots and Reimer being pulled.

 

[AvroArrow]

I feel a little bad for Reimer - he needs a few games to get going, but with the way Carlyle's playing him, it's just not gonna happen.

Didn't Reimer started a few in a row when Bernier was nursing an injury? I'm also pretty sure that the last game resulted in 3 goals against on 12 shots and Reimer being pulled.

Sure, but you can't expect him to be perfect, or get near-perfect after 3 games every time.  That's the only time he's played 3 in a row this season.

 

[Boston Leaf]

I root for the sweater not the player.. I hope Bernier only comes out of the net for a one game rest. Cause that means he is lights out. Either goalie is fine with me but right now Bernier should keep it going

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I feel a little bad for Reimer - he needs a few games to get going, but with the way Carlyle's playing him, it's just not gonna happen.

Didn't Reimer started a few in a row when Bernier was nursing an injury? I'm also pretty sure that the last game resulted in 3 goals against on 12 shots and Reimer being pulled.

Sure, but you can't expect him to be perfect, or get near-perfect after 3 games every time.  That's the only time he's played 3 in a row this season.

So when a guy lays an egg and the other guy comes on to not only win that game for you, but puts you on a 'streak' playing fantastic, the other guy should be given another shot?

 

[AvroArrow]

I feel a little bad for Reimer - he needs a few games to get going, but with the way Carlyle's playing him, it's just not gonna happen.

Didn't Reimer started a few in a row when Bernier was nursing an injury? I'm also pretty sure that the last game resulted in 3 goals against on 12 shots and Reimer being pulled.

Sure, but you can't expect him to be perfect, or get near-perfect after 3 games every time.  That's the only time he's played 3 in a row this season.

So when a guy lays an egg and the other guy comes on to not only win that game for you, but puts you on a 'streak' playing fantastic, the other guy should be given another shot?

I'm not saying anything even close to that, and I have no idea where you thought I said that.  All I'm saying is that Reimer hasn't really had an opportunity to get going the way he can. Bernier has had bad stretches too, but would go right back out after 1 or 2 games by Reimer.

 

[mr grieves]

So when a guy lays an egg and the other guy comes on to not only win that game for you, but puts you on a 'streak' playing fantastic, the other guy should be given another shot?

I'm not saying anything even close to that, and I have no idea where you thought I said that.  All I'm saying is that Reimer hasn't really had an opportunity to get going the way he can. Bernier has had bad stretches too, but would go right back out after 1 or 2 games by Reimer.

That's sort of gone both ways though... Albeit a bit more in Bernier's favor. The way the tandem's worked thusfar has led to Reimer and Bernier not playing the game after a pretty convincing win.

If the tandem's turning to riding the hot hand a bit longer, that's okay. If it's been decided that Bernier's the starter and Reimer's the backup, that'd be a problem -- but I don't think we can know that until Bernier has a bad game.