Johnsson traded to the Devils

[Bill_Berg]

I hope Johnsson finds a good fit on Hischier?s wing and pots 30.

Wouldn't that make this a really bad trade then?

I would say this trade is what it is regardless of how Johnsson does. It wasn't a value for value trade. It was a cap space dump.

 

[Highlander]

Cash dump, decent addition

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie/status/1315072447813750786
https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie/status/1315073032608722944
https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie/status/1315074515882434560

Rachel was an analyst in New Jersey's R&D department for a couple years so she's someone with some inside knowledge on Anderson.

I don't think we'll ever really look back on this trade and think the Leafs won it, but it's starting to look like Anderson definitely wasn't just some random throw-in to balance out the contracts. He could be a useful bottom-6 option as soon as this season.

Another note, he's younger than Johnsson was before he made the Leafs full time.

 

[herman]

Coleman minus scoring it is  ;D

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Coleman minus scoring it is  ;D

"won't make risky decisions like the previous 3L wingers did" gee wonder who that's referring to...

 

[herman]

I think he?s a spare for now, like Boyd. Might be one of those AHL get?em before they break out checking forwards (Coleman - scoring)

Definitely going to be groomed for the role Kapanen vacated, but with more brains.

I had a feeling Dubas was hunting for these types of pieces before they ripen (and get free agent expensive).

 

[herman]

I hope Johnsson finds a good fit on Hischier?s wing and pots 30.

Wouldn't that make this a really bad trade then?

If your teams gets what it needs, does it really matter how much better they perform when given more opportunity they could not receive here?

Similar to Leivo and Brown, Johnsson?s got a really good shot at carving out a top line spot with a team that plays a stylistic fit for him (at least offensively).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I had a feeling Dubas was hunting for these types of pieces before they ripen (and get free agent expensive).

He's probably trying to sign him to a 8-year, $1mil AAV contract as we speak.

 

[Highlander]

Johnsson had to go for either a pick prospect.
We dumped needed cap space and found a player who may have some decent potential.
Necessary but let?s face it even if it?s wash its good, better than a 2nd or third

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Too bad johnsson was hurt this year, I guess they should be happy with a cap dump on it's own.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/theoakleafs/status/1315077786202263553
https://twitter.com/_marlanderthews/status/1315067424371355651

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I think he?s a spare for now, like Boyd. Might be one of those AHL get?em before they break out checking forwards (Coleman - scoring)

Definitely going to be groomed for the role Kapanen vacated, but with more brains.

I had a feeling Dubas was hunting for these types of pieces before they ripen (and get free agent expensive).

Just because Dubas acquires someone no one's heard of doesn't automatically mean he's a diamond in the rough every time.

 

[herman]

I think he?s a spare for now, like Boyd. Might be one of those AHL get?em before they break out checking forwards (Coleman - scoring)

Definitely going to be groomed for the role Kapanen vacated, but with more brains.

I had a feeling Dubas was hunting for these types of pieces before they ripen (and get free agent expensive).

Just because Dubas acquires someone no one's heard of doesn't automatically mean he's a diamond in the rough every time.

Sure but it?s a 1-for-1 trade. Every manager is looking for a diamond in the rough in these deals.

 

[dappleganger]

I'm gonna say it, Leafs are signing Hall.

 

[rdowdall]

I hope Johnsson finds a good fit on Hischier?s wing and pots 30.

Wouldn't that make this a really bad trade then?

If your teams gets what it needs, does it really matter how much better they perform when given more opportunity they could not receive here?

Similar to Leivo and Brown, Johnsson?s got a really good shot at carving out a top line spot with a team that plays a stylistic fit for him (at least offensively).

Well I would say that if you invested the money in the player that then forced you to move said player for pennies on the dollar, then that might come across as poor asset management.

I get the Leafs won't win every trade, but if you give up a 30 goal scorer and the player you get back can't play in the NHL them I think that might go in to the loss category because somewhere along the line player evaluation has failed.

Look at the Panarin for Saad deal.  Chicago thought they were getting what their team needed.

 

[herman]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/

While Anderson isn?t the biggest player in stature, he has a strong and thick base, which makes him difficult to separate from the puck. He also likes to bring a physical style of play in all areas of the ice.

 

[ZBBM]

What Nik said hits it on the head, but still this has a Kadri-ish odor about it.  I think Dubas is better at signing FAs than trading people.

 

[Joe S.]

Kerfoot for Kadri next? I say yes. Reality however might be against me.

 

[rdowdall]

What Nik said hits it on the head, but still this has a Kadri-ish odor about it.  I think Dubas is better at signing FAs than trading people.

I was actually going to say the other way around.  I think that Dubas is pretty good at getting what he wants out of a deal.  The Kadri deal didn't work out, but he got what he wanted from it in a right shot defenceman that could move the puck, and a third line center with some versatility.  The Kapanen deal was also pretty good. 

Even in this deal, I think that Dubas maximized what he could get for the player.  However, the contracts that Dubas gives out seem to be fair deals for the players, and in a cap world that gets you in to trouble after a while.  I think that either it was a mistake to give Johnsson that contract last year, or it was a mistake to trade him for the amount that he did.

If Johnsson outperforms his deal, then he probably didn't get enough for a player that is on a cheap contract for a couple more seasons.  If Johnsson under performs, then that would mean his deal is an over payment.

 

[ZBBM]

What Nik said hits it on the head, but still this has a Kadri-ish odor about it.  I think Dubas is better at signing FAs than trading people.

I was actually going to say the other way around.  I think that Dubas is pretty good at getting what he wants out of a deal.  The Kadri deal didn't work out, but he got what he wanted from it in a right shot defenceman that could move the puck, and a third line center with some versatility.  The Kapanen deal was also pretty good. 

Even in this deal, I think that Dubas maximized what he could get for the player.  However, the contracts that Dubas gives out seem to be fair deals for the players, and in a cap world that gets you in to trouble after a while.  I think that either it was a mistake to give Johnsson that contract last year, or it was a mistake to trade him for the amount that he did.

If Johnsson outperforms his deal, then he probably didn't get enough for a player that is on a cheap contract for a couple more seasons.  If Johnsson under performs, then that would mean his deal is an over payment.

Too early to say about Kapanen, but going back to Kadri he's now traded three top 6 forwards and got 1 top 6 forward (Kerfoot) back (so far) + Barrie who was exactly what the team didn't need.  Of course Hallander and Amirov are in the future.

I would have preferred a Johnsson for picks deal.