Kessel scores how many?
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bustaheims
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Bender said:
Do I look like a Sicilian midget?
GhostofPotvin29
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They're too offensively skilled for it to not turn around eventually, but whether that's in time for this season who knows.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
They're 3 points out with a couple games in hand. If they can turn it around soon-ish, they'll be fine.
GhostofPotvin29
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bustaheims said:
Yeah but with parity like 95% of the league within 3 points of first or last in the league.
Kin
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Bates said:
That's my understanding of it. So while it might be tempting to say that if the Leafs only end up with a second out the deal the trade looks worse, if Pittsburgh really misses the playoffs in the next two years the trade will have turned out to be a complete disaster for them.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
If I've told you once, I've told you a million times - never exaggerate!
azzurri63
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I had to relook at the deal cuz I couldn't remember what the Pittsburgh 1st entailed. The more I look at that now the more I'm hating it. Only get the first if Pitts makes the playoffs. We had tp pay part of Kessel's salary plus the condition on the 1st round pick. Crap.
azzurri63
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Nik the Trik said:
The team needed to retool. I know Kessel had to go to change the culture of this team but I said it back then hard to replace a scorer of his calibre. I don't know what's going on in Pittsburgh I thought he would light it up there. The only thing is and I've said this a hundred times on this site. The draft is a crap shoot unless your drafting in the top 5-10 you don't know what you're going to get. I know they had to get rid of him but if the Leafs were willing to pay for some of his salary then I would've had no conditions on the draft choice. Nice to have the pick but a pick somewhere between 20-30 is not as good as a lottery pick that could land you in the top 10. Plus they gave them back their 2nd rounder. They should have backed off one of the 3.
Kin
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azzurri63 said:
So do you think the Leafs didn't push on those matters? And that they didn't make the best deal they could with Pittsburgh? What if Pittsburgh just says no? It's not like the Leafs had teams beating down their door to trade for Kessel.
The Leafs had no leverage and, as we're seeing now, it was unlikely that would ever improve.
If they attempted to sell him off the season coming up they'd get even less for him.
Are you implying the Leafs don't understand finding a perennial 30 goal scorer is hard and that picking 1-10 is better than picking 10-20? What if noone else was offering a first? I would definitely roll the dice on a protected first round pick. The only reason you're blustering a la Burke right now is because in hindsight the Pens aren't doing so well.
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Are you implying the Leafs don't understand finding a perennial 30 goal scorer is hard and that picking 1-10 is better than picking 10-20? What if noone else was offering a first? I would definitely roll the dice on a protected first round pick. The only reason you're blustering a la Burke right now is because in hindsight the Pens aren't doing so well.
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Kin
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It also should be kept in mind that the Leafs eating some of Kessel's salary wasn't some sort of trade chip they were "willing" to throw into the deal because they had cap room, it was a necessary element of the trade from a cap perspective. If the Leafs didn't retain salary or take back contracts, Kessel couldn't fit under the Penguins' cap.
So it didn't give them any leverage. They couldn't say "since we're eating salary, you take off the protections" when Pittsburgh could just say "if you don't eat salary, we can't make the trade".
So it didn't give them any leverage. They couldn't say "since we're eating salary, you take off the protections" when Pittsburgh could just say "if you don't eat salary, we can't make the trade".