Leafs Acquire Riley Nash

[Guilt Trip]

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While Andersen?s injury status is uncertain, it?s expected he will be able to return to the lineup relatively soon. Sources indicate his prolonged absence has more to do with an abundance of caution and not wanting him to play any more games hurt than the Leafs trying to keep him in LTIR the remainder of the regular season.

So if Mirtle has it right, they won't be using Andersen's cap space.

In that case, it would look like they made the LTIR moves just to get Nash so the trade was about getting nash and not making room for a bigger trade.

No they won't and wouldn't unless he's done until the playoffs.

I know.

My bad. I misread what you wrote. Agree with you.

 

[Guilt Trip]

In that case, it would look like they made the LTIR moves just to get Nash so the trade was about getting nash and not making room for a bigger trade.

If that's the case, I'm guessing we have a quiet weekend/Monday for trades.

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1380700379428569096

He's less certain here.

I guess we'll find out by  Monday just how bad Freddie is. I'm sure Dubas and Co have a plan.

 

[Deebo]

I guess we'll find out by  Monday just how bad Freddie is. I'm sure Dubas and Co have a plan.
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Yeah, for a while Dubas has been publically saying he's in the market for a rental, willing to trade a prospect, there have reports of him talking to 3rd party teams to retain salary.

The result of all that should be more than Riley Nash, so I would expect somthing else.

 

[bustaheims]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

 

[Deebo]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

But it's either the rest regular season or the cap space isn't usable.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

But it's either the rest regular season or the cap space isn't usable.

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

 

[bustaheims]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

But it's either the rest regular season or the cap space isn't usable.

Sure, but, if they?re using it, there?s a plan in place to deal with those issues. The Leafs have one of the best cap guys in the league. If there?s a way to make it work, they?ll make it work.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

Noodles says it would take a week for a goalie to get back into game shape so it wouldn't take that long for him if he's right.

 

[bustaheims]

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

There?s that, too. If Andersen is out another two weeks or so, that leaves just enough time for the team to send him on a 14 day conditioning stint that would end when the regular season ends - and, after missing 5+ weeks right after returning from an injury? Going that route would feel pretty legit.

 

[bustaheims]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

Noodles says it would take a week for a goalie to get back into game shape so it wouldn't take that long for him.

Not sure I put too much stock in what noodles says about recovery times. It varies by position, injury, individual, etc. He could easily need more time than that.

 

[Deebo]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

But it's either the rest regular season or the cap space isn't usable.

Sure, but, if they?re using it, there?s a plan in place to deal with those issues. The Leafs have one of the best cap guys in the league. If there?s a way to make it work, they?ll make it work.

Yeah, obviously they have a plan if they use the space.

But You said that he "might not be out for the rest of the season, but he's not coming back in the near term" and I was just commenting that if its not the rest of the season, then it doesn't matter capwise if its in the near term or not.

 

[Guilt Trip]

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

There?s that, too. If Andersen is out another two weeks or so, that leaves just enough time for the team to send him on a 14 day conditioning stint that would end when the regular season ends - and, after missing 5+ weeks right after returning from an injury? Going that route would feel pretty legit.

They can only go for 3 games, 6 days max. They could ask for an extension of 5 games max. If Fred is healthy he's not staying there for 5 games.

 

[ZBBM]

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

There?s that, too. If Andersen is out another two weeks or so, that leaves just enough time for the team to send him on a 14 day conditioning stint that would end when the regular season ends - and, after missing 5+ weeks right after returning from an injury? Going that route would feel pretty legit.

I have no idea how any of this works, but what if they put him on LTIR and then Campbell gets hurt and can't play and they don't want to run with Hutch?  Can Andersen suddenly "get better" and be activated before the end of the season?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Andersen hasn?t been on the ice with the team in 3 weeks. He may not have skated at all in this stretch. I think saying he?s expected back ?relatively soon? is a bit of an overstatement. He might not be out for the rest of the season, but he?s not coming back in the near term.

But it's either the rest regular season or the cap space isn't usable.

Sure, but, if they?re using it, there?s a plan in place to deal with those issues. The Leafs have one of the best cap guys in the league. If there?s a way to make it work, they?ll make it work.

Yeah, obviously they have a plan if they use the space.

But You said that he "might not be out for the rest of the season, but he's not coming back in the near term" and I was just commenting that if its not the rest of the season, then it doesn't matter capwise if its in the near term or not.

Exactly. If it isn't rest of the regular season, the space is unusable and the Leafs have said he's coming back. Of course they could be bluffing as well..Monday can't come soon enough!

 

[Guilt Trip]

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

There?s that, too. If Andersen is out another two weeks or so, that leaves just enough time for the team to send him on a 14 day conditioning stint that would end when the regular season ends - and, after missing 5+ weeks right after returning from an injury? Going that route would feel pretty legit.

I have no idea how any of this works, but what if they put him on LTIR and then Campbell gets hurt and can't play and they don't want to run with Hutch?  Can Andersen suddenly "get better" and be activated before the end of the season?

Not if they use up his cap space or his time isn't up on LTIR

 

[ZBBM]

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

There?s that, too. If Andersen is out another two weeks or so, that leaves just enough time for the team to send him on a 14 day conditioning stint that would end when the regular season ends - and, after missing 5+ weeks right after returning from an injury? Going that route would feel pretty legit.

I have no idea how any of this works, but what if they put him on LTIR and then Campbell gets hurt and can't play and they don't want to run with Hutch?  Can Andersen suddenly "get better" and be activated before the end of the season?

Not if they use up his cap space or his time isn't up on LTIR

OK, thanks.

 

[bustaheims]

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

There?s that, too. If Andersen is out another two weeks or so, that leaves just enough time for the team to send him on a 14 day conditioning stint that would end when the regular season ends - and, after missing 5+ weeks right after returning from an injury? Going that route would feel pretty legit.

They can only go for 3 games, 6 days max. They could ask for an extension of 5 games max. If Fred is healthy he's not staying there for 5 games.

That?s for determining fitness to play, not a conditioning stint. Freddie would have to agree to it, but it?s an option that?s available.

 

[Guilt Trip]

They really need to "extend" his recovery to the end of the season and LTIR him. The extra cap space (assuming it's used of course) is worth more than Andersen playing another 3-4 regular season games.

There?s that, too. If Andersen is out another two weeks or so, that leaves just enough time for the team to send him on a 14 day conditioning stint that would end when the regular season ends - and, after missing 5+ weeks right after returning from an injury? Going that route would feel pretty legit.

They can only go for 3 games, 6 days max. They could ask for an extension of 5 games max. If Fred is healthy he's not staying there for 5 games.

That?s for determining fitness to play, not a conditioning stint. Freddie would have to agree to it, but it?s an option that?s available.

I just saw that. Thx for the correction.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That?s for determining fitness to play, not a conditioning stint. Freddie would have to agree to it, but it?s an option that?s available.

To stay on LTIR during it the 3 game/6 day conditioning loan would be the only option I think, not the 14 day one.

 

[Guilt Trip]

That?s for determining fitness to play, not a conditioning stint. Freddie would have to agree to it, but it?s an option that?s available.

To stay on LTIR during it the 3 game/6 day conditioning loan would be the only option I think, not the 14 day one.

Well thx for your correction lol..