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Potvin29 said:
Optimus Reimer said:
Sarge said:
Dupuis/Boyce, potato/potato... Though I still agree with Ern in that I want to see Ziggy back... Just to see. Yeah, I know he isn't the swiftest of foot but what's the worst that can happen? At the very worst, if his stinks, it might shut Cherry up about it, right?

He was good at face offs, the PK and is somewhat defensively responsible which would help the team in all 3 apsects.  He may not get many goals, but if he could help the team out those ways, I would take that in a heartbeat.

Is there proof somewhere that Zigomanis is good on the PK?  Was he a key part of a good NHL PK at some point recently in his career?

The leafs gave up 3 PPGs in 8 games which Ziogmanis played 2:00/g while on the PK at the start of last season, he was sent down and hasn't played in the NHL since.

I don't know how many of those 3 PPG goals he was on the ice for.
 
Potvin29 said:
Optimus Reimer said:
Sarge said:
Dupuis/Boyce, potato/potato... Though I still agree with Ern in that I want to see Ziggy back... Just to see. Yeah, I know he isn't the swiftest of foot but what's the worst that can happen? At the very worst, if his stinks, it might shut Cherry up about it, right?

He was good at face offs, the PK and is somewhat defensively responsible which would help the team in all 3 apsects.  He may not get many goals, but if he could help the team out those ways, I would take that in a heartbeat.

Is there proof somewhere that Zigomanis is good on the PK?  Was he a key part of a good NHL PK at some point recently in his career?

His last non-Leafs season in the NHL was 2008-09 when he was the Penguins 4th line centre. He only played in 22 games before an injury ended his season. He averaged 2:51 on the PK that season, 2nd among Pens forwards to only Jordan Staal. He was injured in their first game in December, and their PK during Oct/Nov was 83%. That would have been good for 6th in the league that year.

Zigomanis played the entire month of October as a Leaf in 10/11 where he averaged more time than any other Leafs forward. The Leafs PK was 84.8% that month, which was good for 13th in the league at the time. Had that kept up all season, it would have given the Leafs the 6th best PK.
 
Since I haven't pimped Ziggy's tires much lately, I figured I'd expand a little on my last post to include his Phoenix years. The following is the amount of PK time Ziggy received and his teams PK% while on the team:

Year  Team  GP  SH Ice-time  Team PK%  League Rank*
10/11TOR82:0184.8%6th
08/09PIT222:5183.2%6th
07/08PHO332:5881.6%20th
06/07PHO753:0578.4%t-28th

* - Those numbers are of course assuming that the teams PK percentage would have remained the same had Zigomanis played a full season in 07/08, 08/09, and 10/11.

He had a few years in Carolina prior to this but received little-to-no PK time early in his career. 06/07 was his only full season here so for that year I just used the teams year-end PK%. For the others his play was largely kept to certain months so I was able to just look at the teams PK% for that month.

In 07/08 and 10/11 he was sent to the AHL after playing 33 and 8 games in those respective years. As I mentioned his season was cut short due to injury in 08/09.

It's hard to read too much out of this, especially considering the sample size of most of those seasons. But he has played a large role on multiple PK units throughout his career and put up decent results. Then again he was send to the AHL while doing that by two separate teams.
 
I don't think one player makes that much of a difference on the PK, minus the goalie. It's how they function as a cohesive unit, or in the Leafs case how they don't.

Since 08/09, Pittsburgh has been very good at killing penalties, with or without Zigomanis.
 
TML fan said:
I don't think one player makes that much of a difference on the PK, minus the goalie. It's how they function as a cohesive unit, or in the Leafs case how they don't.

Since 08/09, Pittsburgh has been very good at killing penalties, with or without Zigomanis.

That would be my take.  Ziggy can be great at winning faceoffs, but the Leafs are still awful at getting the puck out of the zone.  Ziggy can stick with his man and not wander off into oblivion, but it doesn't stop Schenn/Komisarek/Phaneuf from chasing guys into the corner and leaving the net wide open.
 
You know what else you can see from those numbers? The more a team needs to use Zigomanis on their PK, the less successful their PK becomes - not necessarily due to his play, but, having him on the roster playing such a prominent role is an indication of the quality of the team.
 
Busta Reims said:
You know what else you can see from those numbers? The more a team needs to use Zigomanis on their PK, the less successful their PK becomes - not necessarily due to his play, but, having him on the roster playing such a prominent role is an indication of the quality of the team.

I said it's hard to draw much of a conclusion from those stats, so I'm not really sure that's a foregone conclusion. Especially since there really isn't that much time separating those first 3 years.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I said it's hard to draw much of a conclusion from those stats, so I'm not really sure that's a foregone conclusion. Especially since there really isn't that much time separating those first 3 years.

Not on a per game basis, no, but in terms of total PK TOI, there are pretty significant gaps between them. I'm not saying it's a foregone conclusion either, but, it certainly appears to be a trend.
 
drummond said:
Any news on Liles? especially if Dion goes down

During the broadcast they mentioned that he hasn't been skating because he has a bad case of bronchitis, no mention of whether he is still suffering post-concussion symptoms.
 
L K said:
During the broadcast they mentioned that he hasn't been skating because he has a bad case of bronchitis, no mention of whether he is still suffering post-concussion symptoms.

Burke said this afternoon that the bronchial infection is making it difficult to determine what is causing which symptoms.
 
Sarge said:
Would you rather Holzer? Komi does not replace Dion but if he can't go, the timing is perfect and Komi is probably the most solid option.

And, he was playing very well before he got hurt. He wasn't the Komisarek we saw the previous 2 seasons - he was much closer to the Komisarek the Habs saw before the Lucic incident.
 
Busta Reims said:
Sarge said:
Would you rather Holzer? Komi does not replace Dion but if he can't go, the timing is perfect and Komi is probably the most solid option.

And, he was playing very well before he got hurt. He wasn't the Komisarek we saw the previous 2 seasons - he was much closer to the Komisarek the Habs saw before the Lucic incident.

Yeah, he was okay there for a while... I haven't been blown away or anything but he certainly didn't make as many bonehead plays as Phaneuf and Schenn did (and have) for a stretch there before he went down.
 
Sarge said:
Busta Reims said:
Sarge said:
Would you rather Holzer? Komi does not replace Dion but if he can't go, the timing is perfect and Komi is probably the most solid option.

And, he was playing very well before he got hurt. He wasn't the Komisarek we saw the previous 2 seasons - he was much closer to the Komisarek the Habs saw before the Lucic incident.

Yeah, he was okay there for a while... I haven't been blown away or anything but he certainly didn't make as many bonehead plays as Phaneuf and Schenn did (and have) for a stretch there before he went down.

He's slow, and is a totally different player than Phaneuf.  People complain about Dion from time to time but he brings a whole different element to the Leafs with his ability to pinch on plays and create scoring opportunities.  Having him out is gonna be a big blow especially if slow footed Komi is the replacement.
 

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