Leafs @ Jets - Mar. 31st, 7:30pm - SN, Fan 590

[herman]

Yeah that's it. I'll send you a jersey in the mail

No offense, but can you send me a Nylander one?

 

[Highlander]

I'll admit that the team certainly plays differently in front of Campbell than they do in front of Andersen. But I don't think it's how the above posters see it.

I think they play a much more sound defensive game in front of Campbell. What you don't see as many of when Campbell is in net is the 5 alarm scoring chances. I can only remember one from last night. I'm sure I missed one or two, but it was nowhere near the 5 or 6 that they're giving up with Andersen in net.

If anything, I think that the team has an over confidence with Andersen in net and that has led to him having to bail the team out. He did it a couple years ago. He doesn't seem to be able to do it now.

I applaud Campbell for the way he's playing. I have no issues with it. I'm not ready to anoint him the second coming though.

Yeah, I've noticed that, as well. The team is much more defensively sound with Campbell in net - though, I also wonder is part of that is that, in general, they've played better defensively over the past few weeks. I guess we'll see if/when Andersen is ready to come back.

I thought the same thing.
This team is definitely playing better defensively.

Though, even in the 2nd period, when the team went from dominating the 1st to giving up all the shots against in the 2nd, none were dangerous. I guess we'll find out if that's a matter of them playing differently in front of Campbell, or an improved overall defensive game.

Campbell definitely has better rebound control.  He has an athletically ready stance, similar to a SS in baseball and smothers the puck with his glove at every opportunity.  Squares to the puck in a fashion similar to, may I say,  Belfour?  Stays on his feet helping him cover the top of the net.  Freddo is always on his knees and gives up to many top shelf goals. I love Freddo but his time is fading.  Time to say goodbye.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That's fair. There's also this, using data from hockey-reference.com:

Campbell is facing, on average, 0.98 even-strength, high-danger chances that results in a shot on net per 60.
Andersen is facing 1.68.

That's a substantial difference.

I like HR and use it for a lot of things, but those numbers don't exactly sit well with me. I think we can all agree that no HD type stat is always going to be perfect but I think generally speaking a game has more high danger scoring chances than that.

Anyway, NST does still support the idea that Andersen is seeing a little more of those than Campbell. They have Freddy at 7.5 HDSA/60, while Campbell is at 6.7.

The next question for context though should be, is 7.5 HDSA/60 a lot? Among the 42 goalies who have played 15 games Andersen sits 22nd, right in the middle. If we wanted to increase the field to get Campbell in there, he would sit 21st among 63 goalies and Andersen would be 32nd. So yeah, there's a difference but it's not like they're at complete opposite ends of the spectrum there.

At the end of the day this just seems like another flimsy excuse for a goalie who has a .898 Sv% over his last 43 games.

 

[Zee]

I'll admit that the team certainly plays differently in front of Campbell than they do in front of Andersen. But I don't think it's how the above posters see it.

I think they play a much more sound defensive game in front of Campbell. What you don't see as many of when Campbell is in net is the 5 alarm scoring chances. I can only remember one from last night. I'm sure I missed one or two, but it was nowhere near the 5 or 6 that they're giving up with Andersen in net.

If anything, I think that the team has an over confidence with Andersen in net and that has led to him having to bail the team out. He did it a couple years ago. He doesn't seem to be able to do it now.

I applaud Campbell for the way he's playing. I have no issues with it. I'm not ready to anoint him the second coming though.

Yeah, I've noticed that, as well. The team is much more defensively sound with Campbell in net - though, I also wonder is part of that is that, in general, they've played better defensively over the past few weeks. I guess we'll see if/when Andersen is ready to come back.

I thought the same thing.
This team is definitely playing better defensively.

Though, even in the 2nd period, when the team went from dominating the 1st to giving up all the shots against in the 2nd, none were dangerous. I guess we'll find out if that's a matter of them playing differently in front of Campbell, or an improved overall defensive game.

Campbell definitely has better rebound control.  He has an athletically ready stance, similar to a SS in baseball and smothers the puck with his glove at every opportunity.  Squares to the puck in a fashion similar to, may I say,  Belfour?  Stays on his feet helping him cover the top of the net.  Freddo is always on his knees and gives up to many top shelf goals. I love Freddo but his time is fading.  Time to say goodbye.

I love the way Campbell is playing, but let's see if his body can handle the load of playing more games.  He's got under 100 NHL games to his name so I'd hold off on anointing him the #1 until we get more of a track record. 

 

[Highlander]

You know who I thought had a decent looking shot from the point? Lehtonen. What's Sandin doing? Can we give him a try yet?

Said it before, lets trade the Barber for him and retrieve Dubas biggest mistake of his GM'ship. Hell, Mikko took down Hedman the other day.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Yeah that's it. I'll send you a jersey in the mail

No offense, but can you send me a Nylander one?

I'll see if I can get him to sign one. What size?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I'll admit that the team certainly plays differently in front of Campbell than they do in front of Andersen. But I don't think it's how the above posters see it.

I think they play a much more sound defensive game in front of Campbell. What you don't see as many of when Campbell is in net is the 5 alarm scoring chances. I can only remember one from last night. I'm sure I missed one or two, but it was nowhere near the 5 or 6 that they're giving up with Andersen in net.

If anything, I think that the team has an over confidence with Andersen in net and that has led to him having to bail the team out. He did it a couple years ago. He doesn't seem to be able to do it now.

I applaud Campbell for the way he's playing. I have no issues with it. I'm not ready to anoint him the second coming though.

Yeah, I've noticed that, as well. The team is much more defensively sound with Campbell in net - though, I also wonder is part of that is that, in general, they've played better defensively over the past few weeks. I guess we'll see if/when Andersen is ready to come back.

I thought the same thing.
This team is definitely playing better defensively.

Though, even in the 2nd period, when the team went from dominating the 1st to giving up all the shots against in the 2nd, none were dangerous. I guess we'll find out if that's a matter of them playing differently in front of Campbell, or an improved overall defensive game.

Campbell definitely has better rebound control.  He has an athletically ready stance, similar to a SS in baseball and smothers the puck with his glove at every opportunity.  Squares to the puck in a fashion similar to, may I say,  Belfour?  Stays on his feet helping him cover the top of the net.  Freddo is always on his knees and gives up to many top shelf goals. I love Freddo but his time is fading.  Time to say goodbye.

I wouldn't say that I've noticed better rebound control.

His stance is definitely more of a hybrid style than Andersen. But I'd say a higher percentage of goalies play Andersen's style than Campbell's.

Like I've said on here many times. I don't like Andersen's game. I haven't liked it since day one. I do find him on his knees too much. I also don't like his spread eagle belly save that he tries 3 times a game. But I've seen it many times before. Teams, for whatever reason, sometimes just play better in front of back ups.

I'm all for giving Campbell credit. He's played quite well. I just don't think it's time to be riding his leg into the playoffs just yet.

I want him to succeed. I talked about it last night with my father(also a goalie and a Andersen hater). We need Campbell to be a number 1 as I don't think Andersen has it. But I just can't see it from Campbell. His game does not give me the "that's a Stanley Cup contending goalie" vibes. I'm hoping for him to prove me wrong. I have no issues running with him. Even if it just means that the team plays better defensively in front of him.

 

[herman]

Yeah that's it. I'll send you a jersey in the mail

No offense, but can you send me a Nylander one?

I'll see if I can get him to sign one. What size?

S/M thanks!

 

[herman]

I also don't like his spread eagle belly save that he tries 3 times a game.

I only remember pucks going in when he picks this save, but to be fair it is usually on a cross-slot pass.

 

[L K]

I also don't like his spread eagle belly save that he tries 3 times a game.

I only remember pucks going in when he picks this save, but to be fair it is usually on a cross-slot pass.

I think the last game he played he did that move and the puck slid around his skate but out through the crease.  He rarely seems to get his skate all the way over to the post so there is usually a spot to get the puck into the net.  It either goes off his lower pad/skate and into the net or get through that gap without touching him. 
That might be a limitation of his mobility this year but that starfish just doesn't cover the net.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I also don't like his spread eagle belly save that he tries 3 times a game.

I only remember pucks going in when he picks this save, but to be fair it is usually on a cross-slot pass.

True and a lot of goalies play this way. I never understood why. Guess I'm old school. Hopefully Freddie gets back healthy again and we can have both him and Jack going down the stretch..

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think the last game he played he did that move and the puck slid around his skate but out through the crease.  He rarely seems to get his skate all the way over to the post so there is usually a spot to get the puck into the net.  It either goes off his lower pad/skate and into the net or get through that gap without touching him. 
That might be a limitation of his mobility this year but that starfish just doesn't cover the net.

I'd say the last batch of games he played were probably during an injury so I'd cut him some slack for those.

 

[L K]

I think the last game he played he did that move and the puck slid around his skate but out through the crease.  He rarely seems to get his skate all the way over to the post so there is usually a spot to get the puck into the net.  It either goes off his lower pad/skate and into the net or get through that gap without touching him. 
That might be a limitation of his mobility this year but that starfish just doesn't cover the net.

I'd say the last batch of games he played were probably during an injury so I'd cut him some slack for those.

I feel like its been all year, but that same injury argument might be able to be made there too.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I think the last game he played he did that move and the puck slid around his skate but out through the crease.  He rarely seems to get his skate all the way over to the post so there is usually a spot to get the puck into the net.  It either goes off his lower pad/skate and into the net or get through that gap without touching him. 
That might be a limitation of his mobility this year but that starfish just doesn't cover the net.

I'd say the last batch of games he played were probably during an injury so I'd cut him some slack for those.

I agree. I don't think he was fully healthy when he came back against Edmonton. His side to side movement hasn't been great for quite a time now. I think he came back early because Jack was hurt again and I believe he's been ailing for most of the year. That 10 games in a row def didn't help him because he really had no time off in between to heal.

 

[bustaheims]

I feel like its been all year, but that same injury argument might be able to be made there too.

In the 10 games he played before he got hurt, he had a Sv% of .911 - which, sure, isn't great, but it isn't terrible either. He was at .876 in the 7 games since he came back (that includes the Hutchinson mess of a start against Ottawa). If he was hurt earlier in the season, he was at least able to provide average-ish goaltending, but it's pretty clear that he wasn't able to play through it once it took him out of the lineup.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I also don't like his spread eagle belly save that he tries 3 times a game.

I only remember pucks going in when he picks this save, but to be fair it is usually on a cross-slot pass.

I think the last game he played he did that move and the puck slid around his skate but out through the crease.  He rarely seems to get his skate all the way over to the post so there is usually a spot to get the puck into the net.  It either goes off his lower pad/skate and into the net or get through that gap without touching him. 
That might be a limitation of his mobility this year but that starfish just doesn't cover the net.

The "starfish" is a great term. It's a save he's had in is toolbox since he first got here but it's certainly being used more and more in the last two seasons. Perhaps you are correct and the injury that has started the downwards trend is limiting his right to left movement.

A lot of times, a goalie that ends up on their belly like that is standing too far forward. Usually a trait of younger goalies.