Leafs @ Rangers - Oct. 12th, 7:00pm - CityTV, Fan 590

[caver]

Interesting that in a game like this that was pretty much over after the 2nd period the 4th line still only had 1 even-strength shift in the 3rd period. Granted, the top line put up points and the 2nd and 3rd lines were great all night, but you'd still think Holland/Kozun/Panik wouldn't have been glued to the bench like that.

Carlyle's misuse of personnel again...maybe he was anxious to make sure he got 2 points but that 4th line has to play.

 

[L K]

Interesting that in a game like this that was pretty much over after the 2nd period the 4th line still only had 1 even-strength shift in the 3rd period. Granted, the top line put up points and the 2nd and 3rd lines were great all night, but you'd still think Holland/Kozun/Panik wouldn't have been glued to the bench like that.

Carlyle's misuse of personnel again...maybe he was anxious to make sure he got 2 points but that 4th line has to play.

Although I would argue that the 4th line was actually the worst line last night.  Holland has struggled so far and Kozun is on his way to the press box IMO.

 

[bustaheims]

Although I would argue that the 4th line was actually the worst line last night.  Holland has struggled so far and Kozun is on his way to the press box IMO.

They haven't been great, but, considering the situation - the game was well in hand and it was the 2nd night of a back to back - there was no real reason not to give them a little more ice time and not push some other guys as much this early in the season. That being said, Carlyle did seem to split the ice time a little more evenly between the top 2 lines, rather than running the top line out there every time he had a chance.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Although I would argue that the 4th line was actually the worst line last night.  Holland has struggled so far and Kozun is on his way to the press box IMO.

I thought Holland and the entire 4th line was pretty good in the opener. But yeah, last night they really had nothing going. Kozun looks like another lesson in not buying into preseason hype too much. I'd like to see a Ashton-Holland-Frattin 4th line tomorrow.

 

[Tigger]

I get that people think this but historically, it's just not true ( PP specialist ). I don't like him a whole lot but aside from one season he's been an es scorer.

I mean that more in it's how he should be used. He's pretty brutal defensively - to the point that it counteracts his ES offensive contributions. And, for the record, exactly half of his offensive production of the past 2 seasons has been on the PP. He's been a pretty mediocre ES producer since he's taken on a larger role with the Leafs.

Last season for the most part though, the season before he was under 50%. Anywho I think we agree some that he's been bad defensively, I think the Leafs are trying to see what he can do with more minutes overall, heck they've even tried him out on the pk where he really wasn't utilized much before. He's probably just playing too many minutes for a guy of his ability, I'd like to see them tailor that in order to maximize his trade value.

 

[Tigger]

Although I would argue that the 4th line was actually the worst line last night.  Holland has struggled so far and Kozun is on his way to the press box IMO.

I thought Holland and the entire 4th line was pretty good in the opener. But yeah, last night they really had nothing going. Kozun looks like another lesson in not buying into preseason hype too much. I'd like to see a Ashton-Holland-Frattin 4th line tomorrow.

I thought Kozun looked ok on the pk last night.

 

[hockeyfan1]

As for Reimer getting hit by Moore.  It actually bothers me quite a bit.  That was a pretty benign play but for Moore to have a brother lose his career due to a concussion I really hate those grazing plays on the goaltender.  He had no reason to get that close to Reimer on the play and especially had not reason to skate at him and make any contact with him.   

I hope that it was just precautionary because he had a very solid game.  Neither goal was his fault and he made a lot of really good saves tonight that could have turned the game in New York's favour.

Moore's hit on Reimer was definitely intentional.  Moore could have easily avoided the contact.  Yes, it seems odd that his (Moore's) brother Steve's career was ended by a concussion, and that he (Dominic) metes out what appears to want to be one on Reimer.  Of all the players to do that, I wouldn't have expected Moore to have be the one.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Ya know Moore rightly gets a lot of room because of what happened in his personal life, but he either took out or attempted to take out 3 Leafs last night, if that was Kaleta people would be screaming for blood.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Ya know Moore rightly gets a lot of room because of what happened in his personal life, but he either took out or attempted to take out 3 Leafs last night, if that was Kaleta people would be screaming for blood.

Somebody needs to put a bounty on that Moore guy's head for their next meeting.  What could go wrong...?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Ya know Moore rightly gets a lot of room because of what happened in his personal life, but he either took out or attempted to take out 3 Leafs last night, if that was Kaleta people would be screaming for blood.

Somebody needs to put a bounty on that Moore guy's head for their next meeting.  What could go wrong...?

You have Bertuzzi's phone number?

 

[2badknees]

I watched the clip a few times since the game, and with it slowed down, it certainly looks like he had time to shift his weight and avoid, or at least minimize, contact with this hip.

But everything looks more blatant at slower speeds.

 

[Redleaf]

As for Reimer getting hit by Moore.  It actually bothers me quite a bit.  That was a pretty benign play but for Moore to have a brother lose his career due to a concussion I really hate those grazing plays on the goaltender.  He had no reason to get that close to Reimer on the play and especially had not reason to skate at him and make any contact with him.   

I hope that it was just precautionary because he had a very solid game.  Neither goal was his fault and he made a lot of really good saves tonight that could have turned the game in New York's favour.

Moore's hit on Reimer was definitely intentional.  Moore could have easily avoided the contact.  Yes, it seems odd that his (Moore's) brother Steve's career was ended by a concussion, and that he (Dominic) metes out what appears to want to be one on Reimer.  Of all the players to do that, I wouldn't have expected Moore to have be the one.

Moore's actions last night, would put him in the category Brian Burke describes as being 'a rat'. His solution, of course would be to add a 'policeman' back onto the team, probably in the form of Colton Orr.

Discuss..

 

[Tigger]

Colton Orr shouldn't be part of the discussion, if the league truly cares about head shots and such, give him or players who act like him a 40 + game suspension, police it differently.

 

[Kin]

Moore's actions last night, would put him in the category Brian Burke describes as being 'a rat'. His solution, of course would be to add a 'policeman' back onto the team, probably in the form of Colton Orr.

Discuss..

The Leafs had an enforcer in the line-up against Montreal when Reimer got run by Gionta. The idea that it serves as a deterrent has no merit.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Colton Orr shouldn't be part of the discussion, if the league truly cares about head shots and such, give him or players who act like him a 40 + game suspension, police it differently.

My first immediate thought was that Moore deserved punishment -- by the league'

 

[bustaheims]

Moore's actions last night, would put him in the category Brian Burke describes as being 'a rat'. His solution, of course would be to add a 'policeman' back onto the team, probably in the form of Colton Orr.

Discuss..

And, after the Moore hits, Orr may or may not have fought someone else - as Moore would not have taken him on, regardless of whether or not they were on the ice at the same time. Moore would have continued playing the same way without any regard for Orr, just as many a "rat" has done with many a "policeman" in the past. As the research has shown, the presence of an enforcer has no impact on the frequency or severity of hits that cause injuries.

 

[hockeyfan1]

As for Reimer getting hit by Moore.  It actually bothers me quite a bit.  That was a pretty benign play but for Moore to have a brother lose his career due to a concussion I really hate those grazing plays on the goaltender.  He had no reason to get that close to Reimer on the play and especially had not reason to skate at him and make any contact with him.   

I hope that it was just precautionary because he had a very solid game.  Neither goal was his fault and he made a lot of really good saves tonight that could have turned the game in New York's favour.

Moore's hit on Reimer was definitely intentional.  Moore could have easily avoided the contact.  Yes, it seems odd that his (Moore's) brother Steve's career was ended by a concussion, and that he (Dominic) metes out what appears to want to be one on Reimer.  Of all the players to do that, I wouldn't have expected Moore to have be the one.

Moore's actions last night, would put him in the category Brian Burke describes as being 'a rat'. His solution, of course would be to add a 'policeman' back onto the team, probably in the form of Colton Orr.

Discuss..

Inserting Orr and/or Mclaren in the lineup will only serve to 'deplete' the Leafs roster, and do nothing to curb future Dominic Moore head hits. 

The league should take care of Moore's action by meting out a counter-action.

 

[freer]

This is where someone on the ice needs to take leadership by the hand and remind Moore, that this hit is not appropriate. I dont care if someone like Reilly or even Kadri gets beat up. Someone has to stand up for the goalie. No matter what.

 

[hockeyfan1]

This is where someone on the ice needs to take leadership by the hand and remind Moore, that this hit is not appropriate. I dont care if someone like Reilly or even Kadri gets beat up. Someone has to stand up for the goalie. No matter what.

Wasn't it Percy there?  Then, he should have gone after Moore.

 

[freer]

This is where someone on the ice needs to take leadership by the hand and remind Moore, that this hit is not appropriate. I dont care if someone like Reilly or even Kadri gets beat up. Someone has to stand up for the goalie. No matter what.

I wasn't saying a certain person. But "Someone" should of done something

Wasn't it Percy there?  Then, he should have gone after Moore.