Luke Schenn Traded to Flyers for JVR!!!

[Erndog]

I'm with bman... The only thing that scares me is his health.

He has the size, skill, hands and head... He just needs to stay healthy.

Should we be worried about his hip?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Can he play center or is a left winger on the way out?

Not a natural centre but he can play all forward positions. But his health is what scares me to be honest.

Well, he needs surgery, I don't think it's going to force him into retirement or anything.

 

[louisstamos]

Yeah, not sure I'm a fan of this trade.  I know Schenn had a few question marks too, but JVR may have even more...

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Love it: Happened to be on Eklund's site (slumming it, I know) right after I saw Dreger and Bobby Mac break the Schenn trade on Twitter; here's what his post said:

"*Flyers and Leafs are reportedly in discussions.. I am told it is NOT JvR for Schenn."

I just remembered why I like to visit that site this time of year: I just LOVE to see Eklund smear more egg on his face.  ;D

I think you should at least be fair to him, he posted that blurb 2 hours ago.

 

[Zee]

I don't think you can declare a winner in this trade yet.

JVR hasn't lived up to his potential, but neither has Schenn depending on who you ask.

I agree. I think they both sort of "stalled" in their development after showing promise.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

Can he play center or is a left winger on the way out?

Not a natural centre but he can play all forward positions. But his health is what scares me to be honest.

Well, he needs surgery, I don't think it's going to force him into retirement or anything.

Initial reports were that he needed surgery.  As of a few days ago, it was reported that he did NOT need surgery.

As previously noted, a good old-fashioned hockey trade where a team with a surplus on defense trades with a team with a surplus of forwards.  Two high potential players who have not developed as quickly as hoped. 

In Burke's shopping list immediately after the draft today, he had getting bigger at forward as one of the priorities. 

 

[#1PilarFan]

I don't think you can declare a winner in this trade yet.

JVR hasn't lived up to his potential, but neither has Schenn depending on who you ask.

While Schenn hasn't been great, his teammates haven't done him any favours either. The goaltending behind him has been atrocious and his coach was not a fan of guys like Schenn. I suspect he would have played better with Carlyle.

With that said, if they can land Schultz, it's hardly a loss and even if they can't, Komisarek (whose contract probably prevents him from being moved) can fill in pretty easily. He really dropped down the depth chart with the emergence of Gunnarsson and Gardiner and the acquisition of Liles.

As for JVR... Who the heck knows? But Burke still needs to get a centre and a goaltender. We've got enough wingers and defensemen.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Can he play center or is a left winger on the way out?

Not a natural centre but he can play all forward positions. But his health is what scares me to be honest.

Well, he needs surgery, I don't think it's going to force him into retirement or anything.

I hope not. Trades are usually not made official until both players pass their physicals. If he can't play going further, we just give up a potential star who may have only needed a change of scenery.

 

[#1PilarFan]

Least out of the blue trade in a long time. I'm not sure I love it, especially with JvR's health issues, but, hopefully, he actually blossom's into the player so many people want him to be.

That's the one thing about this deal; JVR (who I'm not a huge fan of to be honest) has much more upside than Schenn.

 

[Kin]

Yuck.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I don't think you can declare a winner in this trade yet.

JVR hasn't lived up to his potential, but neither has Schenn depending on who you ask.

While Schenn hasn't been great, his teammates haven't done him any favours either. The goaltending behind him has been atrocious and his coach was not a fan of guys like Schenn. I suspect he would have played better with Carlyle.

With that said, if they can land Schultz, it's hardly a loss and even if they can't, Komisarek (whose contract probably prevents him from being moved) can fill in pretty easily. He really dropped down the depth chart with the emergence of Gunnarsson and Gardiner and the acquisition of Liles.

As for JVR... Who the heck knows? But Burke still needs to get a centre and a goaltender. We've got enough wingers and defensemen.

With that said, I wonder how much input Carlysle had in this trade. He had what, 20 games to see Schenn play and maybe told Burke he (Schenn) wasn't going to get out of his funk. But I agree 100% about the players around him and the old coach totally ruining his confidence.

 

[bustaheims]

That's the one thing about this deal; JVR (who I'm not a huge fan of to be honest) has much more upside than Schenn.

That's probably fair. I guess I just feel Schenn is more likely to show serious improvement. I'd say I'm probably luke warm on this one.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I hope not. Trades are usually not made official until both players pass their physicals. If he can't play going further, we just give up a potential star who may have only needed a change of scenery.

I'm sure the Leafs read the reports and checked him out. Maybe the trade will be good for both teams, it was a good hockey deal, as far as using depth on both teams accounts.

 

[#1PilarFan]

That's probably fair. I guess I just feel Schenn is more likely to show serious improvement. I'd say I'm probably luke warm on this one.

This might sound stupid but here I go;

in terms of the actual player JVR, I'm extremely lukewarm on this deal, but there's still a lot to like about this trade. I'm not sold on Lupul as a first line winger, and JVR can easily slot in at #1LW to play with Kessel. JVR also has a lot of untapped potential and he plays (or can play) a Carlyle-type game. Schenn on the other hand is probably the safer bet, but really lacks the game-changing potential of JVR, who again, I don't care much for.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I hope not. Trades are usually not made official until both players pass their physicals. If he can't play going further, we just give up a potential star who may have only needed a change of scenery.

I'm sure the Leafs read the reports and checked him out. Maybe the trade will be good for both teams, it was a good hockey deal, as far as using depth on both teams accounts.

I think the Leafs could have also at least received a third rounder in the deal.

 

[Frank E]

I'm just wondering why they're rolling the dice on an injury prone winger...they have those, and with Kadri and Frattin coming onto the scene...

I'm still not understanding why they're screwing around with risky sideways moves that don't address the big huge holes.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I'm just wondering why they're rolling the dice on an injury prone winger...they have those, and with Kadri and Frattin coming onto the scene...

I'm still not understanding why they're screwing around with risky sideways moves that don't address the big huge holes.

Frank E, I think Burke is under tremendous pressure to do something big. We will have to see if this deal makes any sense.

 

[Jalili]

I'm pumped about this deal. Schenn has been a subpar defenseman more often than not post rookie season.

Besides that, he's a poor skater, with mediocre hockey sense and very rudimentary skills. In the right setting hell be a useful dman but he was certainly not the building block some thought he would be.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm still not understanding why they're screwing around with risky sideways moves that don't address the big huge holes.

Well, I guess this move does sort of address the "size up front" issue, even though JvR isn't a particularly physical player. My hope is this is just the beginning of a fairly substantial overhaul of the NHL roster.

 

[Kin]

That's the one thing about this deal; JVR (who I'm not a huge fan of to be honest) has much more upside than Schenn.

That's probably fair. I guess I just feel Schenn is more likely to show serious improvement. I'd say I'm probably luke warm on this one.

That stands to reason. He's younger and defensemen usually take longer to develop. Outside of some much needed Americanness, I don't see what this adds.

What an absolute dog.