Luongo

[Zee]

Anyone know what the rumoured deal between the Leafs and Canucks has as principles from the Leafs?

We've heard piles of rumor and speculation but nothing even close to resembling what it really could be.  Just piles of things.

My main concern is that 5th overall pick going to the Canucks.  If that goes as part of a package for Luongo, then I will have reservations about the deal.

Don't worry about that, it won't be anything close to that.

Yeah, I don't think the cost would be anywhere near that, nor do I think the Leafs would have much of a problem down the line with the contract ( well, it's not my money and I think the Leafs will have a fair ability to deal with his contract cap wise ) ... really I just don't see him wanting to come to Toronto.

If he wouldn't want to come to Toronto, why does everyone say Toronto is on his list of teams that he would agree to be traded to?

 

[Kin]

If he wouldn't want to come to Toronto, why does everyone say Toronto is on his list of teams that he would agree to be traded to?

I'd like to introduce you to my lawyer, Henry R. Pageviews, Esq.

 

[TML fan]

He's not very good at getting bad teams to the playoffs.

Marcel Dionne wasn't very good at winning the Stanley Cup.

Neither is Luongo.

Neither was Sundin.

Both were good at winning best-on-best tournaments.

Brodeur could have just as easily been in net if the entire nation didn't panic when we lost to the US.

 

[Zee]

Aside from the vast wealth of evidence we have that Roberto Luongo is a good goalie? Including his numbers this year?

Yeah.

He's not very good at getting bad teams to the playoffs.

There's more to hockey than numbers.

Luongo has a lot to prove to people.  Coming to Toronto, the center of the hockey world, would be a stage for him to prove it on.  Whether or not that's part of his motivation, who knows, but I for one would like to see him here.  I think the Leafs would be set in goal for the medium term future (4-5 years) with him in net while we can try and develop one of the younger guys.

 

[TML fan]

Neither was Sundin.

Both were good at winning best-on-best tournaments.

Hold on. So even though a player hasn't single-handedly won a Stanley Cup he...might provide value to a team that doesn't have a better option?

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Hey, if you want to take on an aging never-was with a slim track record and a massive contract out of sheer desperation, by all means.

 

[Tigger]

If he wouldn't want to come to Toronto, why does everyone say Toronto is on his list of teams that he would agree to be traded to?

I've yet to read anything definitive and Nik's lawyer has all my money right now...

 

[Zee]

Neither was Sundin.

Both were good at winning best-on-best tournaments.

Hold on. So even though a player hasn't single-handedly won a Stanley Cup he...might provide value to a team that doesn't have a better option?

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Hey, if you want to take on an aging never-was with a slim track record and a massive contract out of sheer desperation, by all means.

Belfour didn't win a Cup until he was 34.  People would slam him as not being able to take a team all the way too.

 

[Kin]

Luongo has a lot to prove to people.  Coming to Toronto, the center of the hockey world, would be a stage for him to prove it on. 

Realistically, though, what does Luongo have to prove? He's proven he can play well in the regular season. He's proven he can play well in the playoffs.

The only thing he really has to prove is that he's capable of winning a Stanley Cup. Toronto, really, isn't the ideal place to prove that.

 

[Zee]

Luongo has a lot to prove to people.  Coming to Toronto, the center of the hockey world, would be a stage for him to prove it on. 

Realistically, though, what does Luongo have to prove? He's proven he can play well in the regular season. He's proven he can play well in the playoffs.

The only thing he really has to prove is that he's capable of winning a Stanley Cup. Toronto, really, isn't the ideal place to prove that.

I think you'd get a different answer to that if you asked nutman.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

If he wouldn't want to come to Toronto, why does everyone say Toronto is on his list of teams that he would agree to be traded to?

I've yet to read anything definitive and Nik's lawyer has all my money right now...

;D

 

[TML fan]

Neither was Sundin.

Both were good at winning best-on-best tournaments.

Hold on. So even though a player hasn't single-handedly won a Stanley Cup he...might provide value to a team that doesn't have a better option?

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Hey, if you want to take on an aging never-was with a slim track record and a massive contract out of sheer desperation, by all means.

Belfour didn't win a Cup until he was 34.  People would slam him as not being able to take a team all the way too.

Nobody was stuck with an aging Belfour for an obscene amount of time in a salary cap world.

Luongo isn't worth the risk is what I'm saying. He isn't THAT good.

 

[Kin]

Belfour didn't win a Cup until he was 34.  People would slam him as not being able to take a team all the way too.

Dominik Hasek won his first cup at 37
Tim Thomas won his first cup at 36

But, again, this may be a scenario where facts are not the issue.

 

[Kin]

I think you'd get a different answer to that if you asked nutman.

I think I'd get a different answer to a lot of things if I asked nutman.

 

[Kin]

Belfour didn't win a Cup until he was 34.  People would slam him as not being able to take a team all the way too.

Nobody was stuck with an aging Belfour for an obscene amount of time in a salary cap world.

Luongo isn't worth the risk is what I'm saying. He isn't THAT good.

Seriously. Why are you reacting like he asked why the Leafs would be interested in Luongo regardless of his contract?

 

[cw]

Or maybe Burke won't give a care in the end because he knows he's not going to be here in 10 years, so screw it... but I doubt that.

That's one aspect of this that also seems to go against it happening. Burke has never been a fan of these big lengthy deals that 'circumvent' the cap - to put his disdain lightly. The contract alone, ignoring the player's ability to some extent, has to make him cringe when giving it consideration - probably more than most GMs. How does he take such a deal to the MLSE board for approval, which for this size of deal he'll have to, after what he's said?

 

[bustaheims]

Belfour didn't win a Cup until he was 34.  People would slam him as not being able to take a team all the way too.

Dominik Hasek won his first cup at 37
Tim Thomas won his first cup at 36

But, again, this may be a scenario where facts are not the issue.

Well, if we're being entirely fair, both Hasek and Belfour had multiple Vezina trophies before they won the Cup, and Thomas won his second the same year he won the Cup. Luongo's good, but he's really not in the same league as those guys (he's been a finalist 3 times, though, so, it's not a huge gap as TML Fan wants us to believe).

 

[Kin]

Well, if we're being entirely fair, both Hasek and Belfour had multiple Vezina trophies before they won the Cup, and Thomas won his second the same year he won the Cup.

No, good point. Luongo isn't exactly the same as Dominik Hasek.

 

[Bender]

Neither was Sundin.

Both were good at winning best-on-best tournaments.

Hold on. So even though a player hasn't single-handedly won a Stanley Cup he...might provide value to a team that doesn't have a better option?

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Hey, if you want to take on an aging never-was with a slim track record and a massive contract out of sheer desperation, by all means.

Belfour didn't win a Cup until he was 34.  People would slam him as not being able to take a team all the way too.

Nobody was stuck with an aging Belfour for an obscene amount of time in a salary cap world.

Luongo isn't worth the risk is what I'm saying. He isn't THAT good.

It's been a while since I've seen anything remotely positive from you about pretty much anything. Not that Luongo is our only option, but it's as if any game plan the Leafs go with in the off season is a bad one. Do you have any suggestions?

 

[TML fan]

Nobody was stuck with an aging Belfour for an obscene amount of time in a salary cap world.

Luongo isn't worth the risk is what I'm saying. He isn't THAT good.

Seriously. Why are you reacting like he asked why the Leafs would be interested in Luongo regardless of his contract?

If the Canucks think they can win a Cup with Luongo, then they would trade Schneider to solve their problem. He is easily the more moveable asset, and if the Canucks won a Cup, I don't think they would care if they gave up their "goalie of the future" when they could potentially win multiple Cups with Luongo.

The fact that they are looking to move Luongo, and the fact that they felt he wasn't good enough to play in the playoffs, leads me to think that they don't think they can win with Luongo in net.

Now, I'm not saying they are 100% right, but I think I trust them a little more than some Internet message board posters, no matter how condescendingly sarcastic they can be.

 

[TML fan]

Neither was Sundin.

Both were good at winning best-on-best tournaments.

Hold on. So even though a player hasn't single-handedly won a Stanley Cup he...might provide value to a team that doesn't have a better option?

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Hey, if you want to take on an aging never-was with a slim track record and a massive contract out of sheer desperation, by all means.

Belfour didn't win a Cup until he was 34.  People would slam him as not being able to take a team all the way too.

Nobody was stuck with an aging Belfour for an obscene amount of time in a salary cap world.

Luongo isn't worth the risk is what I'm saying. He isn't THAT good.

It's been a while since I've seen anything remotely positive from you about pretty much anything. Not that Luongo is our only option, but it's as if any game plan the Leafs go with in the off season is a bad one. Do you have any suggestions?

Yeah. Don't trade for Luongo.