Luongo

[Zee]

that's BS ..no way burke gives up that much ..the leafs are pretty high on gardiner right now ...luongo isn't worth it..not at that price point

Given the chilly relationship between Gillis and Burke, one can only assume that Gillis is attempting to ask for as much as possible an Buke is attempting to give up as little as possible.  Where those two meet (if at all) remains to be seen.  I'd like to see Burke stick to his guns and realize that Vancouver is the team that needs to make the trade whereas the Leafs have other options either through trade with some other team or free agency.

 

[Corn Flake]

Luongo's value is kind of hard to judge. On one had, he's one of the top goalies in the NHL. On the other hand, he's 33, has 10 years left on his contract, a NTC clause, limited suitors, and is in a situation where his team almost has to move him. On top of that, Vancouver almost certainly has to deal with the Schneider situation before they can finalize any Luongo deal. He's not going to net the Canucks the return the Vancouver media and fans are talking about, but he's also likely to bring in more than "a couple of middling prospects" or the other similar proposals that have been bandied about.

Burke would be wiser to just sign Vokoun for nothing instead of giving up significant pieces for Lou.

That is certainly what helps drive down the price for Luongo, when Burke can simply say he would rather overpay Vokoun on a one-year deal at $5 mil than risk the Luongo contract that could bury him AND give up key assets in the process. 

There are 3-4 teams Luongo is willing to go to. That alone cripples the market, let alone other options out there

 

[Kin]

Luongo's value is kind of hard to judge. On one had, he's one of the top goalies in the NHL. On the other hand, he's 33, has 10 years left on his contract, a NTC clause, limited suitors, and is in a situation where his team almost has to move him. On top of that, Vancouver almost certainly has to deal with the Schneider situation before they can finalize any Luongo deal. He's not going to net the Canucks the return the Vancouver media and fans are talking about, but he's also likely to bring in more than "a couple of middling prospects" or the other similar proposals that have been bandied about.

I know it goes without saying but this is a case where Luongo's value is going to be entirely dependent on the number of teams after him. If there's a San Jose or a Chicago or someone out there willing to deal a good young player for Luongo then Vancouver's going to do alright and, personally, I'd want Burke to stay away.

But it's just as realistic that there's nobody out there. If Toronto is bidding against nobody and can basically pawn people off on Vancouver who'd be terrified of going into camp with an unhappy Luongo because his contract is scaring people off then there's a real opportunity.

 

[Redleaf]

Luongo's value is kind of hard to judge. On one had, he's one of the top goalies in the NHL. On the other hand, he's 33, has 10 years left on his contract, a NTC clause, limited suitors, and is in a situation where his team almost has to move him. On top of that, Vancouver almost certainly has to deal with the Schneider situation before they can finalize any Luongo deal. He's not going to net the Canucks the return the Vancouver media and fans are talking about, but he's also likely to bring in more than "a couple of middling prospects" or the other similar proposals that have been bandied about.

Burke would be wiser to just sign Vokoun for nothing instead of giving up significant pieces for Lou.

That is certainly what helps drive down the price for Luongo, when Burke can simply say he would rather overpay Vokoun on a one-year deal at $5 mil than risk the Luongo contract that could bury him AND give up key assets in the process. 

There are 3-4 teams Luongo is willing to go to. That alone cripples the market, let alone other options out there

Agreed. Burke has the upper hand here. Luongo gets traded to the Leafs for much less than the going rate for a goalie with his credentials or he stays put and remain Vancouvers problem for years to come., unless there is another team desperate enough to make a big offer.

 

[Corn Flake]

Agreed. Burke has the upper hand here. Luongo gets traded to the Leafs for much less than the going rate for a goalie with his credentials or he stays put and remain Vancouvers problem for years to come., unless there is another team desperate enough to make a big offer.

I think this comes down to TB and Toronto, with maybe Florida in there as well.  I don't see them trading him to a western conf team, especially one they regularly battle for playoff position with. 
Luongo also calls the shots on the destination here and he's unlikely to agree to a pacific coast team given his desire to be closer to home (FLA).

 

[Kin]

Luongo also calls the shots on the destination here and he's unlikely to agree to a pacific coast team given his desire to be closer to home (FLA).

I agree that it's unlikely but it's important to remember how early into the offseason we are(it's not even technically the offseason). If no offers come in for Luongo and he's face with a season as Vancouver's backup vs. a team far away from Florida I'd guess he'd be more inclined to accept a trade like that then we think based on  what we'fve heard.

 

[cw]

The following was posted on the Canucks fan forum web site regarding a trade of Luongo to Toronto:

Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To
by $lacker on Wed May 30, 2012 10:01 pm

TDA Rum wrote:
Do you know what the return will be, Slacker?

I do know the sticking point is Gardiner... Both GM's know Gardiner = Shultz as well so it's like getting a 2 for 1. I spoke to this person again on the weekend but they wouldn't give me anything more. 5th overall plus Gardiner and Shultz would be a very nice haul. Fan 590 in Toronto was reporting 1st, Schenn, and Gardiner this morning, but that would be a true pillaging!

Now fans have been known to have unrealistic appraisals of a player's worth,  but did the Fan 590 actually report that trade?????  If Burke did that, being fired would be he least of his problems.

Agreed. I think it's a silly proposal. I've seen it referred to as FAN590 speculation/discussion rather than someone reporting a rumour.

 

[sampson]

The following was posted on the Canucks fan forum web site regarding a trade of Luongo to Toronto:

Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To
by $lacker on Wed May 30, 2012 10:01 pm

TDA Rum wrote:
Do you know what the return will be, Slacker?

I do know the sticking point is Gardiner... Both GM's know Gardiner = Shultz as well so it's like getting a 2 for 1. I spoke to this person again on the weekend but they wouldn't give me anything more. 5th overall plus Gardiner and Shultz would be a very nice haul. Fan 590 in Toronto was reporting 1st, Schenn, and Gardiner this morning, but that would be a true pillaging!

Now fans have been known to have unrealistic appraisals of a player's worth,  but did the Fan 590 actually report that trade?????  If Burke did that, being fired would be he least of his problems.

First I would vomit.

Then I would pick a new team.

 

[#1PilarFan]

The following was posted on the Canucks fan forum web site regarding a trade of Luongo to Toronto:

Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To
by $lacker on Wed May 30, 2012 10:01 pm

TDA Rum wrote:
Do you know what the return will be, Slacker?

I do know the sticking point is Gardiner... Both GM's know Gardiner = Shultz as well so it's like getting a 2 for 1. I spoke to this person again on the weekend but they wouldn't give me anything more. 5th overall plus Gardiner and Shultz would be a very nice haul. Fan 590 in Toronto was reporting 1st, Schenn, and Gardiner this morning, but that would be a true pillaging!

Now fans have been known to have unrealistic appraisals of a player's worth,  but did the Fan 590 actually report that trade?????  If Burke did that, being fired would be he least of his problems.

I'm confused. Is this guy saying the Leafs are going to trade Vancouver Schultz? As in Justin Schultz? As in a guy whose rights are with another team? Or are the 'Nucks expecting to acquire Schultz in some other move and want to add Gardiner.

Either way, if Burke moves Gardiner for anyone other than an elite centre, I suspect he will be lynched.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm confused. Is this guy saying the Leafs are going to trade Vancouver Schultz? As in Justin Schultz? As in a guy whose rights are with another team? Or are the 'Nucks expecting to acquire Schultz in some other move and want to add Gardiner.

Either way, if Burke moves Gardiner for anyone other than an elite centre, I suspect he will be lynched.

He's assuming that whichever team has Gardiner will be a lock to sign Schultz.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Apparently, some guy on Twitter who broke both the Hodgson trade and the Booth trade before the media is saying Luongo to Toronto by the draft if not July 1, and is a done deal.

Probably not true but fun to think about nonetheless.

Here's a little write-up about him/it: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/05/canucks-insider-tweets-luongo-to-the-leafs/

 

[L K]

Anything from the Fan590 is pure wild speculation. Also, anything from a guy calling himself $lacker is as well.

Honestly.  I would maybe do Schenn for Luongo, but given how erratic goaltending has been the last few years, and given that (not that Luongo played poorly) he's being traded because another guy is outperforming him, I'm not giving up a 5th overall pick for the guy.  His contract gets ugly down the road.  I'm also not giving up a guy like Gardiner, especially when that very well could be the difference between getting Schulz to sign here.

 

[Corn Flake]

Apparently, some guy on Twitter who broke both the Hodgson trade and the Booth trade before the media is saying Luongo to Toronto by the draft if not July 1, and is a done deal.

Probably not true but fun to think about nonetheless.

Here's a little write-up about him/it: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/05/canucks-insider-tweets-luongo-to-the-leafs/

I had to laugh when I followed the link to Tim and Sid show talking about Burke's "significant" quote, and then the discussion on the cost to get Luongo... the one sided view on value was as if Gillis had 29 teams begging him for Roberto.  Apparently the 10 year deal is no obstacle, and Gardiner, Schenn and the 1st is well within reason for Vancouver to ask for. Ok Sid and nerd guest host. 

This trade will be a cap for cap move, with maybe something of substance going back to Vancouver but nothing of the elite variety.

 

[Redleaf]

Apparently, some guy on Twitter who broke both the Hodgson trade and the Booth trade before the media is saying Luongo to Toronto by the draft if not July 1, and is a done deal.

Probably not true but fun to think about nonetheless.

Here's a little write-up about him/it: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/05/canucks-insider-tweets-luongo-to-the-leafs/

I had to laugh when I followed the link to Tim and Sid show talking about Burke's "significant" quote, and then the discussion on the cost to get Luongo... the one sided view on value was as if Gillis had 29 teams begging him for Roberto.  Apparently the 10 year deal is no obstacle, and Gardiner, Schenn and the 1st is well within reason for Vancouver to ask for. Ok Sid and nerd guest host. 

This trade will be a cap for cap move, with maybe something of substance going back to Vancouver but nothing of the elite variety.

Komisarek, Franson & Scrivens

 

[Zee]

Apparently, some guy on Twitter who broke both the Hodgson trade and the Booth trade before the media is saying Luongo to Toronto by the draft if not July 1, and is a done deal.

Probably not true but fun to think about nonetheless.

Here's a little write-up about him/it: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2012/05/canucks-insider-tweets-luongo-to-the-leafs/

I had to laugh when I followed the link to Tim and Sid show talking about Burke's "significant" quote, and then the discussion on the cost to get Luongo... the one sided view on value was as if Gillis had 29 teams begging him for Roberto.  Apparently the 10 year deal is no obstacle, and Gardiner, Schenn and the 1st is well within reason for Vancouver to ask for. Ok Sid and nerd guest host. 

This trade will be a cap for cap move, with maybe something of substance going back to Vancouver but nothing of the elite variety.

It's funny they would think the first would be involved, if their sole "source" is the Twitter guy, he even says in his tweet "will be completed by the draft, if not July 1".

If he believes it can go beyond the draft, it doesn't include the Leafs draft pick.

 

[Corn Flake]

If he believes it can go beyond the draft, it doesn't include the Leafs draft pick.

Yes and apparently 33 year old 2012 10-year contract Luongo is going to go for substantially more than 27 year old 2006 Luongo did when he went to Van in the first place.  Jokes.

Repeat after me, media....

There. Is. No. Freaking. Way. That. Pick. Will. Go. In. That. Trade. 
There. Is. No. Freaking. Way. Jake Gardiner. Will. Go. In. That. Trade.

/end.

 

[Champ Kind]

I'm just not seeing anything of value going back to Vancouver IF this deal goes down.  They've got themselves quite the messy situation between Luongo and Schnieder, and Lou's deal is fairly dreadful.  If anything, I can see an asset coming to the Leafs for this deal to make sense.

 

[Erndog]

I'm just not seeing anything of value going back to Vancouver IF this deal goes down.  They've got themselves quite the messy situation between Luongo and Schnieder, and Lou's deal is fairly dreadful.  If anything, I can see an asset coming to the Leafs for this deal to make sense.

I'll make you a bet the Canucks come out with a nice piece (or two).  A lot of people were saying Jeff Carter could be had cheap but he ended up costing Jack Johnson and a 1st round pick.

No matter what people think of the situation Vancouver will not be giving Luongo away.  They will still end up with a fairly nice piece in the end.

 

[Leafaholic99]

Has Lou really been in Vancouver for that long, crazy, seems just like yesterday he was traded there.

If the deal is only Luongo coming to Toronto or any other team, expect it to be a 3rd or 4th round pick and a so-so prospect with a bit of potential. The contract and fact that Schneider is ready will hurt the return, Canucks fans need to realize this and the media as well.

 

[Zee]

I'm just not seeing anything of value going back to Vancouver IF this deal goes down.  They've got themselves quite the messy situation between Luongo and Schnieder, and Lou's deal is fairly dreadful.  If anything, I can see an asset coming to the Leafs for this deal to make sense.

I'll make you a bet the Canucks come out with a nice piece (or two).  A lot of people were saying Jeff Carter could be had cheap but he ended up costing Jack Johnson and a 1st round pick.

No matter what people think of the situation Vancouver will not be giving Luongo away.  They will still end up with a fairly nice piece in the end.

Hasn't Jack Johnson been a disappointment so far when he was supposed to be great?  That's the impression i've gotten, also, the first round pick isn't a lottery pick.

Edit: Johnson also had a long contract (7 years) before being traded, so in some ways it's long contract for long contract.