Luongo

[Zee]

Just listening to Nonis of the fan590 and while he obviously can't speak about Luongo, he doesn't seem to keen on dealing Gardiner... (Paraphrasing) - We'd only deal a young D building block for a young building block at another position.

EDIT: Here's the quote;

‏@Michael_Traikos
#Leafs Nonis to Hockey Central on trading Gardiner or Rielly: "We would only move a young playuer for another young player.

Listening as well, I like his answers so far. 
Edit: no "internal trade freeze" like Burke had.

 

[Bender]

Just listening to Nonis of the fan590 and while he obviously can't speak about Luongo, he doesn't seem to keen on dealing Gardiner... (Paraphrasing) - We'd only deal a young D building block for a young building block at another position.

He wouldn't deal prospects/younger players for vets when he was in Vancouver when they were much closer to contending. I don't see him significantly changing that with the Leafs, considering where they are in the building process.

Thank the lord! I like Nonis already.

I completely agree with his philosophy. Unless you're making a hard push to contend a positional trade for like talent makes a lot of sense.

 

[maplesyrup]

Thank the lord! I like Nonis already.

+1 but obviously, the proof needs to be found in the pudding.

 

[maplesyrup]

So, unless Vancouver is willing to take some older pieces, Luongo probably isn't going to happen.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Thank the lord! I like Nonis already.

+1 but obviously, the proof needs to be found in the pudding.

I think he'll be more conservative than Burke, but with the same type of direction. Burke without the bravado.

 

[Zee]

Nonis is saying all the right things right now, but how much of that changes if and when someone on the board of directors is breathing down his neck and asking "why aren't you going after player X"?

 

[Redleaf]

So, unless Vancouver is willing to take some older pieces, Luongo probably isn't going to happen.

I still think if the Luongo deal happens Kadri will be a piece heading out. I don't think Maple Leaf management ever considered Kadri a "cornerstone" piece.

 

[Zee]

So, unless Vancouver is willing to take some older pieces, Luongo probably isn't going to happen.

I still think if the Luongo deal happens Kadri will be a piece heading out. I don't think Maple Leaf management ever considered Kadri a "cornerstone" piece.

Luongo would really help our cause if he refused to report to the Canucks camp.

 

[Bender]

So, unless Vancouver is willing to take some older pieces, Luongo probably isn't going to happen.

I still think if the Luongo deal happens Kadri will be a piece heading out. I don't think Maple Leaf management ever considered Kadri a "cornerstone" piece.

Luongo would really help our cause if he refused to report to the Canucks camp.

I just think it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade for a guy who's a great candidate to be bought out of his contract.

 

[Deebo]

So, unless Vancouver is willing to take some older pieces, Luongo probably isn't going to happen.

I still think if the Luongo deal happens Kadri will be a piece heading out. I don't think Maple Leaf management ever considered Kadri a "cornerstone" piece.

Luongo would really help our cause if he refused to report to the Canucks camp.

I just think it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade for a guy who's a great candidate to be bought out of his contract.

If you want the player and asset cost is reasonable, then it makes sense.

There is no guarantee he gets bought out and If he does get bought out, he goes to the open market and anyone can sign him.

 

[Bender]

So, unless Vancouver is willing to take some older pieces, Luongo probably isn't going to happen.

I still think if the Luongo deal happens Kadri will be a piece heading out. I don't think Maple Leaf management ever considered Kadri a "cornerstone" piece.

Luongo would really help our cause if he refused to report to the Canucks camp.

I just think it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade for a guy who's a great candidate to be bought out of his contract.

If you want the player and asset cost is reasonable, then it makes sense.

There is no guarantee he gets bought out and If he does get bought out, he goes to the open market and anyone can sign him.

Obviously there are other factors, but if they're looking to trade Gardiner/Kadri, Bozak and a 2nd I just don't think it makes much sense. He ain't a spring chicken.

 

[Deebo]

I just think it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade for a guy who's a great candidate to be bought out of his contract.

If you want the player and asset cost is reasonable, then it makes sense.

There is no guarantee he gets bought out and If he does get bought out, he goes to the open market and anyone can sign him.

Obviously there are other factors, but if they're looking to trade Gardiner/Kadri, Bozak and a 2nd I just don't think it makes much sense. He ain't a spring chicken.

I was responding to the notion that trading for a buy out candidate doesn't make sense, not specifically to Luongo for Kadri, Gardiner and a pick.

 

[Bender]

I just think it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade for a guy who's a great candidate to be bought out of his contract.

If you want the player and asset cost is reasonable, then it makes sense.

There is no guarantee he gets bought out and If he does get bought out, he goes to the open market and anyone can sign him.

Obviously there are other factors, but if they're looking to trade Gardiner/Kadri, Bozak and a 2nd I just don't think it makes much sense. He ain't a spring chicken.

I was responding to the notion that trading for a buy out candidate doesn't make sense, not specifically to Luongo for Kadri, Gardiner and a pick.

Ah. In that case I have nothing more to add

 

[Bullfrog]

Luongo would really help our cause if he refused to report to the Canucks camp.

Perhaps, but if he's seen as the backup goalie, that only helps if Schneider goes down. If he doesn't report, then he doesn't get paid; so that helps out the Canucks.

That said, it'd be totally opposite of what Luongo is saying publicly. Paraphrasing, he said in a recent interview "he's a Canuck right now and will play hard for them when asked to suit up."

 

[Redleaf]

I really hope they get stuck with Luongo and Gillis is fired for it.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I just think it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade for a guy who's a great candidate to be bought out of his contract.

I personally don't think Luongo is a 'candidate' to be bought out. He has value on the trade market. It may not be what Vancouver is asking for right now, but that doesn't remove the fact that he does have some value. Some are saying that they would do Kadri and Bozak + a pick for Luongo...It'd be alot easier to get approval for a trade from the big bosses than a asking for a huge cheque to buy Luongo out.

 

[Redleaf]

I just think it doesn't make a lot of sense to trade for a guy who's a great candidate to be bought out of his contract.

I personally don't think Luongo is a 'candidate' to be bought out. He has value on the trade market. It may not be what Vancouver is asking for right now, but that doesn't remove the fact that he does have some value. Some are saying that they would do Kadri and Bozak + a pick for Luongo...It'd be alot easier to get approval for a trade from the big bosses than a asking for a huge cheque to buy Luongo out.

Poor goaltending is what ultimately caused the demise of Brian Burke in Toronto. A very good veteran goaltender who can still play at a high level is what is needed, and one is there for the taking.

I'd be alright if getting Roberto meant sending Bozak, Kadri and a 2nd or 3rd pick to Vancouver. As long as one of our "cornerstone" pieces, as Nonis described today on HC at noon, wasn't part of the deal.

I would think the only cornerstones pieces we have are Gardiner and Rielly? Perhaps Kessel and Phaneuf would also qualify? Am I missing anybody?

 

[cw]

Interesting comments by Sean Burke on Luongo just past the 7 min mark of this interview
link
Sean doesn't believe that Luongo is a "difference maker" caliber goaltender any longer. He maintains that he's still a #1 goalie who can help a team but he's not so sure Luongo can win games consistently any longer relying on his pure ability.

Time will tell if his analysis is correct.

10 more years at $5.3 mil cap hit is a lot to pay for a guy who isn't a "difference maker" any longer.

 

[ZBBM]

Nonis ≠ Burke.

Nonis is (or should be) under no pressure from the Richly Paneled Boardroom to make desperation moves in order to get into the playoffs this short season.  He has 3+ years on his contract.  He has just in effect provided cover to the RPB in their bizarro timing of the Burke firing. (What if Nonis had told them to shove it?  then how would they have looked?  "Good afternoon, I'm Tom Anselmi.  Today we decided to go in a different direction: we've relieved Brian Burke of his duties, and by the way Dave Nonis has decided to go in a different direction of his own.")

Nonis, I think, has enough autonomy from the RPB to decline to overpay for Luongo.  I think Sean Burke is probably right: Luongo is good, but not as good as he once was, and no longer a guy who can carry a team on his back.

I am happy to get Luongo, but not if it includes either Kadri or Gardiner.  No way.  Maybe a MacArthur and a 2nd, say, or something of that nature.  Gillis, of course, will want more.  Let him want.  Or let FLA overpay.

There is only one reason why Nonis would give up a Kadri or a Gardiner, and that is if the RPB really is calling the shots.  But why would have Nonis even agreed to stay on if that were the case?  I highly doubt it.  I think Burke was fired because his ego and the RPB's collective ego were jostling for man-space, and Burke lost out.  Nonis's style is completely different.

 

[cw]

New 'Luongo Rule' won't help Canucks deal goalie

The ability for the Canucks to retain some of his salary in a trade under the new CBA might help.