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Nik the Trik said:
Moreover I'd bet there'd probably be some organizational backlash to the idea of moving backwards like that.
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They did bring Alex Tanguay back and have Roy and Sakic in their front office.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
Corn Flake said:
Green Leaf said:
Liles to Colorado so he can join his ol roomies!
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This could happen after Franson signs.
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I believe Liles will be traded, but I'm not sure where he goes. I guess Colorado is as good a place as any and they could absorb the contract I think.
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If Franson really is asking for anywhere in the neighborhood of 4 million per season he will be the one traded and Liles will be around for a bit longer. He isn't worth 4 million per season, not even close.
 
Deebo said:
Nik the Trik said:
Moreover I'd bet there'd probably be some organizational backlash to the idea of moving backwards like that.
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They did bring Alex Tanguay back and have Roy and Sakic in their front office.
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Yes, but all three of those guys are at least going to be associated with the organization's success. In the Leafs vernacular it's the difference between bringing back Gary Roberts and bringing back Pavel Kubina.
 
Palmateer29 said:
If Franson really is asking for anywhere in the neighborhood of 4 million per season he will be the one traded and Liles will be around for a bit longer. He isn't worth 4 million per season, not even close.
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I disagree. I think he's worth at least the 3.8 million Liles is making this season, but in the next few years, I think he is going to be worth a lot more. I don't think you're reading the market very well.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
Palmateer29 said:
If Franson really is asking for anywhere in the neighborhood of 4 million per season he will be the one traded and Liles will be around for a bit longer. He isn't worth 4 million per season, not even close.
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I disagree. I think he's worth at least the 3.8 million Liles is making this season, but in the next few years, I think he is going to be worth a lot more. I don't think you're reading the market very well.
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I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0. His shot is much better than Gill's ever was but Gill is much better defensively and plays the body more. Both skate like they are in molasses. Liles has a much better offensive side but he is small and soft. I don't think Franson will ever be worth 3.8 - 4 million in my eyes. Besides he is secondary to getting Kadri signed as far as I'm concerned.
 
Palmateer29 said:
I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0. His shot is much better than Gill's ever was but Gill is much better defensively and plays the body more. Both skate like they are in molasses.
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no.
 
Deebo said:
I wonder if Kulemin might be the one to get dealt.
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I think the important thing for the Leafs right now is to take their time and see who's expendable. Because they can be over the cap in camp I wouldn't care if they left things unresolved until they got a better look at seeing maybe if Rielly made Franson more expendable or if Kulemin was a guy they could deal because D'Amigo or Ross or whoever might be ready.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
I hope not.
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If we are talking about a move that a player is shipped out strictly for futures/cap relief. I think Franson, Kulemin and Liles are the only potential candidates, possibly Gunnarsson.
 
I'm going out on a limb here and saying if they can't dump Liles he'll be bought out with a regular buyout. 
 
Deebo said:
If we are talking about a move that a player is shipped out strictly for futures/cap relief. I think Franson, Kulemin and Liles are the only potential candidates, possibly Gunnarsson.
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But out of the 3 of them, Liles' loss would hurt us much less than the other two IMO. Kulemin can play anywhere in the top 9, Franson is developing very well and is much younger than Liles.

Personally, I think it was always Liles that has to go and it's not even that he isn't useful, it's that we have a fairly large pipeline of blueliners and his salary versus how easy he is to replace. He was a good player to pick up when we did, but I don't think he needs to be here anymore.
 
Palmateer29 said:
I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0. His shot is much better than Gill's ever was but Gill is much better defensively and plays the body more. Both skate like they are in molasses. Liles has a much better offensive side but he is small and soft. I don't think Franson will ever be worth 3.8 - 4 million in my eyes. Besides he is secondary to getting Kadri signed as far as I'm concerned.
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Franson is much more Todd Gill than Hal Gill.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
But out of the 3 of them, Liles' loss would hurt us much less than the other two IMO. Kulemin can play anywhere in the top 9, Franson is developing very well and is much younger than Liles.
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Yeah, but that's offset by the fact that Liles will be the hardest to move/will fetch the least in return. If Rielly is ready to step up trading Franson at what could be a high point right now could work just as well.
 
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