WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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So burying him in the minors costs about 350k then?
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Nik the Trik said:Yeah, but that's offset by the fact that Liles will be the hardest to move/will fetch the least in return. If Rielly is ready to step up trading Franson at what could be a high point right now could work just as well.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:So burying him in the minors costs about 350k then?
CarltonTheBear said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:So burying him in the minors costs about 350k then?
Plus the cost of a replacement defenceman, so it wouldn't really help cap wise that much.
Nik the Trik said:Palmateer29 said:I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0.
That is honestly one of the oddest comparisons I've ever seen.
BlueWhiteBlood said:I get that point, but the problem I have with that is that even though Rielly may be better in the future than Franson, he's not there yet, regardless of how good he is in camp. It would almost feel like we're taking a bit of a step back while we wait for Rielly to replace what Franson is bringing now.
bustaheims said:Palmateer29 said:I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0. His shot is much better than Gill's ever was but Gill is much better defensively and plays the body more. Both skate like they are in molasses. Liles has a much better offensive side but he is small and soft. I don't think Franson will ever be worth 3.8 - 4 million in my eyes. Besides he is secondary to getting Kadri signed as far as I'm concerned.
Franson is much more Todd Gill than Hal Gill.
A Weekend at Bernier's said:That doesn't help the discussion, Busta. :
A Weekend at Bernier's said:Nik the Trik said:Palmateer29 said:I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0.
That is honestly one of the oddest comparisons I've ever seen.
What about Vincent Lecavalier as the "Michael Jordan" of hockey?
Palmateer29 said:I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0. His shot is much better than Gill's ever was but Gill is much better defensively and plays the body more. Both skate like they are in molasses. Liles has a much better offensive side but he is small and soft. I don't think Franson will ever be worth 3.8 - 4 million in my eyes. Besides he is secondary to getting Kadri signed as far as I'm concerned.
BlueWhiteBlood said:I get that point, but the problem I have with that is that even though Rielly may be better in the future than Franson, he's not there yet, regardless of how good he is in camp. It would almost feel like we're taking a bit of a step back while we wait for Rielly to replace what Franson is bringing now.
Nik the Trik said:I don't think you can say definitively one way or the other where Rielly is until we actually see it. As I mentioned elsewhere the idea of someone picked where he is being ready for the NHL at his age isn't new or all that rare.
Regardless, I didn't say Rielly would replace Franson, just that if Rielly is ready for the line-up he might make Franson more expendable. If anyone is going to "replace" Franson this year it's going to be Gardiner.
Palmateer29 said:BlueWhiteBlood said:Palmateer29 said:If Franson really is asking for anywhere in the neighborhood of 4 million per season he will be the one traded and Liles will be around for a bit longer. He isn't worth 4 million per season, not even close.
I disagree. I think he's worth at least the 3.8 million Liles is making this season, but in the next few years, I think he is going to be worth a lot more. I don't think you're reading the market very well.
I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0. His shot is much better than Gill's ever was but Gill is much better defensively and plays the body more. Both skate like they are in molasses. Liles has a much better offensive side but he is small and soft. I don't think Franson will ever be worth 3.8 - 4 million in my eyes. Besides he is secondary to getting Kadri signed as far as I'm concerned.
BlueWhiteBlood said:Well, I'm looking at it from an adjustment period from junior to pro, rather than talent or level of development.
BlueWhiteBlood said:As far as Gardiner replacing Franson, I want them on the same line together, so I don't look at it from that standpoint. I want:
Zee said:CarltonTheBear said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:So burying him in the minors costs about 350k then?
Plus the cost of a replacement defenceman, so it wouldn't really help cap wise that much.
They already signed Paul Ranger at a far lower cost. Liles is basically the 7th guy at this point. They also have Holzer they can keep as #7
bustaheims said:It's not just about Rielly, though. Between Rielly, Ranger and Gardiner, you more than replace Franson's offence while increasing the mobility of the backend. You lose a little physicality, sure, but, really, the defensive value of big hits is vastly over-rated, and, in fact, often leaves players out of position. You don't really lose anything on the PK, since Franson wasn't much of a contributor there and his PP contributions would be replaced by the aforementioned trio.
While I'd agree, in a vacuum, moving Liles would be preferably to moving Franson, when everything is considered, the team probably gains more in terms of assets coming in than loses in terms of on ice performances if Franson is traded, whereas, for Liles, it's probably the other way around - largely because the return for Liles is likely to be so marginal.
CarltonTheBear said:I wasn't saying that we'd have to find one or anything, but somebody would still have to take his spot on the roster. So say Holzer beats him for a spot and we send Fraser down instead of Holzer, there's not much cap savings (if any, I don't remember Holzer's cap hit).
Britishbulldog said:caveman said:RedLeaf said:Signed...
1 year, $1.275 mil.
Probably a touch more than I would have liked, but they avoided arbitration. Now there is only $5mil left to sign both Franson and Kadri. Something has to give. Hopefully Liles switches uniforms soon.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=428761
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I am glad he is a Leaf. Against Boston in the playoffs, Fraser comfortably fought their toughest Bruin in Thornton and held his own, lost by a slight edge but held his own none the less.
6'4" 220 lbs, 6 th defenseman. I am pleased.
Now sort out the top 5 defensemen Nonis.
RedLeaf said:Palmateer29 said:BlueWhiteBlood said:Palmateer29 said:If Franson really is asking for anywhere in the neighborhood of 4 million per season he will be the one traded and Liles will be around for a bit longer. He isn't worth 4 million per season, not even close.
I disagree. I think he's worth at least the 3.8 million Liles is making this season, but in the next few years, I think he is going to be worth a lot more. I don't think you're reading the market very well.
I think Franson is Hal Gill 2.0. His shot is much better than Gill's ever was but Gill is much better defensively and plays the body more. Both skate like they are in molasses. Liles has a much better offensive side but he is small and soft. I don't think Franson will ever be worth 3.8 - 4 million in my eyes. Besides he is secondary to getting Kadri signed as far as I'm concerned.
How do you compare Franson to Gill, and then, besides their skating, tell us how much different they are as players?
mr grieves said:Britishbulldog said:caveman said:RedLeaf said:Signed...
1 year, $1.275 mil.
Probably a touch more than I would have liked, but they avoided arbitration. Now there is only $5mil left to sign both Franson and Kadri. Something has to give. Hopefully Liles switches uniforms soon.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=428761
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I am glad he is a Leaf. Against Boston in the playoffs, Fraser comfortably fought their toughest Bruin in Thornton and held his own, lost by a slight edge but held his own none the less.
6'4" 220 lbs, 6 th defenseman. I am pleased.
Now sort out the top 5 defensemen Nonis.
Yeah, except the team didn't start playing well until he was out of the line-up.