Mitch Marner: what now?

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1142104969765457920

Dreger may as well be signing these tweets with "DF" at the end of them.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Aren't there rules about having to clearly identify a sponsored tweet? Can we report this to the FTC?

 

[Bates]

So Dreger is the guy beating the $11 plus drum for months and now He's the guy tweeting not $11 million??? Hard to square that??

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1142104969765457920

Dreger may as well be signing these tweets with "DF" at the end of them.

Almost as if Dreger's tweets were a direct response to Dubas's comments last night.  Did he just hand his password over to Ferris and Paul?  ;D

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So Dreger is the guy beating the $11 plus drum for months and now He's the guy tweeting not $11 million??? Hard to square that??

I could be wrong, but what I took from that was that the Leafs haven't hit the $11mil figure yet in their parameters of an extension. I assumed it was in reference to a rumour that Marner declined 8x$11mil from the Leafs.

 

[Zee]

They're digging in at not wanting to go full 8 years which seems to be the new normal for RFAs now, so this is going to come in at a 6 year deal at something like 10.  Either that or a 3 year bridge that nobody really wants.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Some of you guys are like people that get all worked up about how stupid and ridiculous soap operas are, but never miss an episode.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

They're digging in at not wanting to go full 8 years which seems to be the new normal for RFAs now, so this is going to come in at a 6 year deal at something like 10.  Either that or a 3 year bridge that nobody really wants.

I said it before, but I'd take a 3 year bridge at $8mil.

 

[freer]

They're digging in at not wanting to go full 8 years which seems to be the new normal for RFAs now, so this is going to come in at a 6 year deal at something like 10.  Either that or a 3 year bridge that nobody really wants.

I said it before, but I'd take a 3 year bridge at $8mil.

I agree. He has had one great season without injury. I would prefer a 3 year bridge just to if it was just one lucky season or if he can continue from last season. IMO

 

[Bates]

So Dreger is the guy beating the $11 plus drum for months and now He's the guy tweeting not $11 million??? Hard to square that??

I could be wrong, but what I took from that was that the Leafs haven't hit the $11mil figure yet in their parameters of an extension. I assumed it was in reference to a rumour that Marner declined 8x$11mil from the Leafs.

You could be right be right but it does say in discussions with the Leafs and not between the Leaf's.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

You could be right be right but it does say in discussions with the Leafs and not between the Leaf's.

I just listened to the radio hit he was expanding on (link). Somewhat quoting/paraphrasing this, but when the interviewer brings up the reported $11mil x 8 years offer Dreger said: "That's false. $11mil has never been offered to Mitch Marner. There have been ongoing discussions lobbed back and forth between Dubas and Ferris but $11mil has never been on the table."

 

[Zee]

Some of you guys are like people that get all worked up about how stupid and ridiculous soap operas are, but never miss an episode.

 

[herman]

Dubas doesn't follow Darren Dreger on Twitter

 

[Zee]

Dubas doesn't follow Darren Dreger on Twitter

He follows Doug Ford though. 

 

[herman]

Dubas doesn't follow Darren Dreger on Twitter

He follows Doug Ford though. 

Don't people have hate-follows? Like those following the president's Twitter?

Dubas follows nearly every on screen person at TSN. He follows every hockey insider from Bob to CJ...

(he's also not following Mirtle or Siegel, but is following Damien Cox lol)

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dubas doesn't follow Darren Dreger on Twitter

He follows Doug Ford though. 

Don't people have hate-follows? Like those following the president's Twitter?

Dubas follows nearly every on screen person at TSN. He follows every hockey insider from Bob to CJ...

(he's also not following Mirtle or Siegel, but is following Damien Cox lol)

Mike Commodore :-X

 

[Zee]

Dubas doesn't follow Darren Dreger on Twitter

He follows Doug Ford though. 

Don't people have hate-follows? Like those following the president's Twitter?

Dubas follows nearly every on screen person at TSN. He follows every hockey insider from Bob to CJ...

(he's also not following Mirtle or Siegel, but is following Damien Cox lol)

He follows The Athletic though which covers Mirt and Sieg

 

[Bates]

So let's say Marner signs an Offer Sheet at $11plus.  Would the Leaf's be better off matching or taking the 4 firsts and pitching Nashville for Subban, who they are rumoured to be wanting to move to clear space?

 

[slapshot]

You could be right be right but it does say in discussions with the Leafs and not between the Leaf's.

... but $11mil has never been on the table."

Nor should it be.  As much as I love Marner as a player, Dubas should have the chops to say "enough is enough" and send a message to these selfish agents, fathers and players with big egos. $10 million to $10.5 million is more than fair for Marner, more than any other winger in the league, with just one big year under his belt, and playoff performance that was only mediocre. You could say how much he helped Tavares have his best year, but then the opposite can be true to. How much did having Tavares help him? With a contract level I am proposing and all his endorsements in Toronto, a million or so difference from an offer sheet, should NOT make a difference to him - if he really loves Toronto (and his teammates) as much as he says he does! If he signs an offer sheet for Matthews money or more, I say let him walk...
The Leafs can sign another star for that kind of money and have four first round picks to boot. To me, as much as I like Marner, that makes a lot more sense.
This is about winning a cup, and potentially multiple cups, not one player. Marner could be part of that, and a hero in his hometown for the rest of his life. Even if he wins a cup somewhere else (probably less likely), it won't be the same, and he can walk around Toronto and just see the look on peoples' faces.

 

[Guilt Trip]

So let's say Marner signs an Offer Sheet at $11plus.  Would the Leaf's be better off matching or taking the 4 firsts and pitching Nashville for Subban, who they are rumoured to be wanting to move to clear space?

Leafs are obviously better with Marner but if they decided to walk away, I would look at something like that for sure. Like I said earlier, the Leafs can pay Marner whatever, but for every million over that they projected to pay, a roster player goes for a pick or prospect and replaced with an ELC or similar. I'm only using Hyman/Brown as examples. I don't expect Hyman to go because of his injury, but Brown is pretty much a foregone conclusion even without the Marner contract. Their 2.3/2 million go out for a pick/ELC contract, you replace them with a Marlie/ELC or equivalent and you save 1.0-1.5 each in cap space. Hyman, Brown type players become a luxury the Leafs can no longer afford. Of course you could move a bigger piece like Kadri but you're not getting full value back for him in a trade if it's for cap reasons.You want to use Kadri to strengthen your team's weakness on D and as it stands right now, he's far more valuable then either of those guys.
Dubas has some decisions to make moving forward for sure.