Mitch Marner: what now?

[Bates]

I didn't see Stamkos in that article??? But I did see Tavares at $1.7 million, I doubt Marner is less marketable.

 

[Kin]

This is last years version of the list, it has Stamkos at 1.5 million:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/12/05/the-nhls-highest-paid-players-2017-18/#7c5e1b0a2ac3

Like Carlton said though, none of these numbers should be taken as gospel.

 

[Zee]

Welcome to Mitch Marner signing day!

I've decided to be optimistic today.

Let?s hope it?s soon. I purchased a $350 Mitch Marner framed photo and it?s still sitting in the box it shipped in in my basement . Not taking it out and hanging it up until he signs.

So you're the jinx. Hmm

 

[Zee]

Dreger on Leafs lunch today, had no insight on any players outside of Marner. Said Marner absolutely would be willing to sign an offer sheet since he's taken the process this far.  Said something like Marner isn't curled up in a ball worried that fans are ripping him and his agent online.

Asked about other RFAs, Dreger had crickets.

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm gonna try not to laugh at the suggestion there is any number worth wondering about in regards to Florida advertising vs Canada. Matthews in AZ would be a different story.

The article that you linked to states that Stamkos makes about $1.5M annually (in 2017). That's significant.

I didn't link anything??

My apologies; it was another poster who linked the Forbes article.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1143575912660766720

If true... and I'm doubtful about that... bye Mitch.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1143575912660766720

If true... and I'm doubtful about that... bye Mitch.

Absolutely see ya. Said it before. The only way he gets close to 11 is by signing an 8 year deal.

 

[Kin]

As always I'm pretty skeptical about that until I see it but it does sort of fit in with the idea that once you're willing to cross the line of making that offer sheet worth 4 firsts, the idea that the difference between, say, 11.5 over 5 and 13 over 5 would stop you doesn't really make sense. Even with the Leafs, if Marner makes sense at 11.5, it's really hard to think of what the extra 1.5 million could get you that switches things.

 

[Bullfrog]

It gets you Ilya Mikheyev instead of Connor Brown. Which, I'm guessing most of us are OK with despite not knowing a thing about Mikheyev.

 

[Guilt Trip]

As always I'm pretty skeptical about that until I see it but it does sort of fit in with the idea that once you're willing to cross the line of making that offer sheet worth 4 firsts, the idea that the difference between, say, 11.5 over 5 and 13 over 5 would stop you doesn't really make sense. Even with the Leafs, if Marner makes sense at 11.5, it's really hard to think of what the extra 1.5 million could get you that switches things.

When you're up against the cap it makes a huge difference. All things being equal and say the Leafs are 1.5 over means a roster player making that over an ELC would have to go. In the Leafs case, Hyman would have to go because Brown's contract wouldn't cover it. If not that route, then you trade a Kappy, Johnsson, Kadri which in turn makes your team weaker. So while it can be done, generally GMs don't look to make their teams weaker.

 

[Bullfrog]

If true... and I'm doubtful about that... bye Mitch.

I'll fondly remember the Marner years. Watching Panarin net 90 points will be fun though. Or a combo of Anders Lee and Anton Stralman. Or a bigger trade using the picks.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'll fondly remember the Marner years. Watching Panarin net 90 points will be fun though. Or a combo of Anders Lee and Anton Stralman. Or a bigger trade using the picks.

Oh man signing Lee might be too funny to pass on.

 

[Guilt Trip]

It gets you Ilya Mikheyev instead of Connor Brown. Which, I'm guessing most of us are OK with despite not knowing a thing about Mikheyev.

If we're right up against the cap, it doesn't because the difference isn't 1.5 million between the 2. You'll still need to find around 325K.

 

[Bullfrog]

Someone's gotta replace Marleau on the left side. 

 

[bustaheims]

https://twitter.com/Account4hockey/status/1143575912660766720

If true... and I'm doubtful about that... bye Mitch.

Nice try, Dreger-Ferris, but, should have tried to stay in the realm of reality.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If true... and I'm doubtful about that... bye Mitch.

I'll fondly remember the Marner years. Watching Panarin net 90 points will be fun though. Or a combo of Anders Lee and Anton Stralman. Or a bigger trade using the picks.

Haha. Too funny. I'll say one thing, this is getting entertaining. Does anyone really believe someone is going to pay him more then McDavid?

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

So long and thanks for all the picks.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Does anyone really believe someone is going to pay him more then McDavid?

I mean all it takes is 1 team, right? Allegedly the Sharks were willing to pay Tavares more than McDavid, that doesn't mean they thought Tavares was better/more valuable than McDavid though.

 

[pmrules]

As always I'm pretty skeptical about that until I see it but it does sort of fit in with the idea that once you're willing to cross the line of making that offer sheet worth 4 firsts, the idea that the difference between, say, 11.5 over 5 and 13 over 5 would stop you doesn't really make sense. Even with the Leafs, if Marner makes sense at 11.5, it's really hard to think of what the extra 1.5 million could get you that switches things.

I would imagine there has to be a dollar value line, that once crossed the Leafs aren't willing to match.  I don't know what that line is obviously for Kyle.  Maybe that $1.5M in your example crosses it.  At $13M, for me anyways, the line has been crossed and $11.5M+ of cap space and 4 1sts are more valuable to me.

 

[Kin]

When you're up against the cap it makes a huge difference. All things being equal and say the Leafs are 1.5 over means a roster player making that over an ELC would have to go. In the Leafs case, Hyman would have to go because Brown's contract wouldn't cover it. If not that route, then you trade a Kappy, Johnsson, Kadri which in turn makes your team weaker. So while it can be done, generally GMs don't look to make their teams weaker.

But the equation is having Marner vs. not having Marner and there's not a single guy you named whose absence would hurt the team more than Marner.