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Mitch Marner: what now?

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Bates said:
The Overdrive Boys might agree that the fanbase is turning on the player.

Complainers are always more vocal. I'm pretty confident that the majority of the fanbase doesn't care.......at all. They just want to see the Leafs play and hopefully win.
 
Bullfrog said:
Bates said:
The Overdrive Boys might agree that the fanbase is turning on the player.

Complainers are always more vocal. I'm pretty confident that the majority of the fanbase doesn't care.......at all. They just want to see the Leafs play and hopefully win.

I'm not sure you are correct when the magnitude of this offer is known.
 
Bates said:
louisstamos said:
Bender said:
No one is saying Mitch doesn't deserve to be paid as a premiere player

You're largely right, but there is a post above mine that suggests that either Mitch Marner take Kevin Hayes' contract or they would sit him for the year.

1) Mitch Marner is *way* better than Kevin Hayes.
2) If the team were to take such a hard line approach, and he's not signed by the start of the season, I dare say, I wouldn't consider the Leafs a Stanley Cup Contender.  Playoff team, yes, but contender, no.  With him though - absolutely.

How would you compare him to Kucherov?

I lean slightly towards Marner if you compare their first 3 full seasons (discounting Kucherov's first as he only played 50 games and mostly 4th line) as their stats are nearly identical, but Marner did it while younger.  But if we're talking comparables, he would probably be the closest.
 
Bullfrog said:
Complainers are always more vocal. I'm pretty confident that the majority of the fanbase doesn't care.......at all. They just want to see the Leafs play and hopefully win.

I would go even further, I bet the majority of people don't even know a contract dispute is going on.
 
Deebo said:
Bullfrog said:
Complainers are always more vocal. I'm pretty confident that the majority of the fanbase doesn't care.......at all. They just want to see the Leafs play and hopefully win.

I would go even further, I bet the majority of people don't even know a contract dispute is going on.

Not a chance. Anyone fan who listens to the radio or uses any kind of social media (twitter for millennials, facebook for boomers) knows what's going on.
 
Bullfrog said:
Bates said:
The Overdrive Boys might agree that the fanbase is turning on the player.

Complainers are always more vocal. I'm pretty confident that the majority of the fanbase doesn't care.......at all. They just want to see the Leafs play and hopefully win.

There is no doubt about it although I have to say that at least from my perspective I?m far more down on Marner than I was 3 months ago.  If he signs great, if not I don?t really care so much anymore.
 
L K said:
Bullfrog said:
Bates said:
The Overdrive Boys might agree that the fanbase is turning on the player.

Complainers are always more vocal. I'm pretty confident that the majority of the fanbase doesn't care.......at all. They just want to see the Leafs play and hopefully win.

There is no doubt about it although I have to say that at least from my perspective I?m far more down on Marner than I was 3 months ago.  If he signs great, if not I don?t really care so much anymore.

I'm with you on that. If he signs thats good. But if not don't let the door hit you in the *ss on the way out.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Deebo said:
I would go even further, I bet the majority of people don't even know a contract dispute is going on.

Not a chance. Anyone fan who listens to the radio or uses any kind of social media (twitter for millennials, facebook for boomers) knows what's going on.

I think you overestimate how much attention the majority of people pay to things like this.

I was talking to a season ticket holder at work and she didn't know a thing about the contract situation with Marner, she didn't know there was a possibility that he would miss games. Even after seeing Nylander miss games last year.

Lots of people who watch hockey turn on the game, watch it and don't pay any attention otherwise.
 
I can say that for me, this isn't an issue of me thinking the Marner camp is reasonable or unreasonable...for me this is a cap dollar allocation issue, given the contracts of Tavares, Matthews, and Nylander. 

Given the Kerfoot is an unknown in Kadri's spot, I'm a little concerned if the Leafs tie up $11m in another scoring RW.  At $8-$9m, I was OK, but I've looked at the spreadsheets over the next few years, and that bottom six is going to have to be a bunch of guys making well under $1m a piece to make things work if they want to keep a strong top-4 d-men corps. 

He's one of the reasons I tune into the games, but I'm just not sure how this is all going to shake out with the lack of depth that it's likely to create. 
 
If he wont sign a long term deal at 11 million per season and is asking for a 3 year deal, with the last year being at 11+, I say let him sit or trade him.
 
Deebo said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Deebo said:
I would go even further, I bet the majority of people don't even know a contract dispute is going on.

Not a chance. Anyone fan who listens to the radio or uses any kind of social media (twitter for millennials, facebook for boomers) knows what's going on.

I think you overestimate how much attention the majority of people pay to things like this.

I was talking to a season ticket holder at work and she didn't know a thing about the contract situation with Marner, she didn't know there was a possibility that he would miss games. Even after seeing Nylander miss games last year.

Lots of people who watch hockey turn on the game, watch it and don't pay any attention otherwise.

Well known fact that Leaf season ticket holders don't really watch Hockey anyway so not surprised.
 
Deebo said:
Bullfrog said:
Complainers are always more vocal. I'm pretty confident that the majority of the fanbase doesn't care.......at all. They just want to see the Leafs play and hopefully win.

I would go even further, I bet the majority of people don't even know a contract dispute is going on.

It's the Leafs, the majority of fans know everything that is going on...lol
 
Nik the Trik said:
Strangelove said:
Mitch is a talented, largely one dimensional RFA with a good season (followed by a bad playoffs) under his belt.

He scored almost as many ES goals as Sid Crosby last year while also killing penalties. Which dimension is his one dimension?

Assists. He wasn't in the top 50 in goals scored and is in no way an above average defensive player, at least not yet.

Look, he's a great player and deserves to get paid. He doesn't deserve to be the highest paid winger in the league, though. It's also fair to point out that Mitch's camp has taken the position that it's not enough to be the highest paid winger in the league - he wants to be the highest paid winger on a short-term deal, even though he's an RFA.

I'm not particularly emotionally invested in the situation, but I can't see any reasonable rationale for the ask. It's pretty out there. Obviously, part of what's at issue is the bad Matthews contract.
 
Babs: "Ice cream time guys!"
Marner: "Yayyyy ICE CREAM!"
Babs: "... therrrre we go. And you Johnny. Here ya go Willy. Auston, for you bud."
Marner: "Three whole scoops, a hot brownie, chocolate sauce AND whipped cream? YUM!"

Paul Marner: "Auston got M&M's."


 
louisstamos said:
Bates said:
louisstamos said:
Bender said:
No one is saying Mitch doesn't deserve to be paid as a premiere player

You're largely right, but there is a post above mine that suggests that either Mitch Marner take Kevin Hayes' contract or they would sit him for the year.

1) Mitch Marner is *way* better than Kevin Hayes.
2) If the team were to take such a hard line approach, and he's not signed by the start of the season, I dare say, I wouldn't consider the Leafs a Stanley Cup Contender.  Playoff team, yes, but contender, no.  With him though - absolutely.

How would you compare him to Kucherov?

I lean slightly towards Marner if you compare their first 3 full seasons (discounting Kucherov's first as he only played 50 games and mostly 4th line) as their stats are nearly identical, but Marner did it while younger.  But if we're talking comparables, he would probably be the closest.
Kucherov is a 30-40 goal scorer. Marner is not that.
 
Strangelove said:
Assists. He wasn't in the top 50 in goals scored and is in no way an above average defensive player, at least not yet.

Putting aside a disagreement about defense 26 goals, the vast majority of them at even strength, does not make him a bad goal scorer.
 
Bender said:
Kucherov is a 30-40 goal scorer. Marner is not that.

When Kucherov was Marner's age he scored 29 goals. Marner scored 26. That's a pretty minor difference to make a big deal about.
 
We will see how it all plays out but if it?s true he has turned down $11 million per and he holds out, he is a p.o.s. and I could honestly give two $hits about him as long as the trade return is good.
 
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