Morgan Rielly extended 8 years @ 7.5M

[Frank E]

I like Rielly, but I think this was a bad idea.  :-\

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

Is that your only consideration though?  Like, as long as a player signs for a little less than full market UFA value then it's what the Leafs should do?

Trading him for a more cost controlled younger and maybe a little less offensive with more defense type might be a good move, right?

Now if Sandin progresses into Rielly-lite this season, how do you afford him?  These re-signing decisions have impacts on who they can no longer re-sign....it's not just about "they took a little less so it's a good move".

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

This exact same thing could have been said about Hyman and generally speaking everyone was in agreement that letting him walk was the right call.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I like Rielly, but I think this was a bad idea.  :-\

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

Is that your only consideration though?  Like, as long as a player signs for a little less than full market UFA value then it's what the Leafs should do?

Trading him for a more cost controlled younger and maybe a little less offensive with more defense type might be a good move, right?

Now if Sandin progresses into Rielly-lite this season, how do you afford him?  These re-signing decisions have impacts on who they can no longer re-sign....it's not just about "they took a little less so it's a good move".

Right now it is my consideration because without him creates a huge hole. Sandin isn't Rielly-lite yet and might never. His next contract won't be too much more then it is right now.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

This exact same thing could have been said about Hyman and generally speaking everyone was in agreement that letting him walk was the right call.

Sorry totally disagree. Hyman was overpayed...Rielly isn't, huge difference. Hyman at 4 mill was a no brainer to resign.

 

[Joe S.]

I like Rielly, but I think this was a bad idea.  :-\

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

Is that your only consideration though?  Like, as long as a player signs for a little less than full market UFA value then it's what the Leafs should do?

Trading him for a more cost controlled younger and maybe a little less offensive with more defense type might be a good move, right?

Now if Sandin progresses into Rielly-lite this season, how do you afford him?  These re-signing decisions have impacts on who they can no longer re-sign....it's not just about "they took a little less so it's a good move".

Why would any team make that trade? Who is sending a cost controlled talented young defence man for an impending UFA?

 

[Zee]

Now if Sandin progresses into Rielly-lite this season, how do you afford him?  These re-signing decisions have impacts on who they can no longer re-sign....it's not just about "they took a little less so it's a good move".

Final year of Sandin's ELC so he doesn't have a lot of leverage for a big raise unless he totally explodes in the final 70 games or whatever.  Even then I think he'd take a bridge deal to further prove himself before a huge payday.  That would be a nice problem to have if Sandin turns out to be really good.

 

[Frank E]

I like Rielly, but I think this was a bad idea.  :-\

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

Is that your only consideration though?  Like, as long as a player signs for a little less than full market UFA value then it's what the Leafs should do?

Trading him for a more cost controlled younger and maybe a little less offensive with more defense type might be a good move, right?

Now if Sandin progresses into Rielly-lite this season, how do you afford him?  These re-signing decisions have impacts on who they can no longer re-sign....it's not just about "they took a little less so it's a good move".

Why would any team make that trade? Who is sending a cost controlled talented young defence man for an impending UFA?

I don't know, you add to it or whatever...I'm just saying that there's a bigger picture to consider.

 

[Kin]

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

This exact same thing could have been said about Hyman and generally speaking everyone was in agreement that letting him walk was the right call.

I think that's maybe true, although I feel like with 5 million you probably could land a pretty good winger on the UFA market if not exactly as good as Hyman, but I think you have to weigh that against the ability to find a good top 6 winger on the cheap vs. finding a top 2 defenseman on the cheap.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Why would any team make that trade? Who is sending a cost controlled talented young defence man for an impending UFA?

I mean, Chicago did.

 

[herman]

Why would any team make that trade? Who is sending a cost controlled talented young defence man for an impending UFA?

I mean, Chicago did.

You really have to try to do business as much as possible with the teams that are extremely inept at roster management but surprisingly deft at drafting.

 

[moon111]

According to Capfriendly, this equals out to $3,515,877 net income.
This would only be $630,466 more than Tampa Bay's Mikhail Sergachev.
Not only did he sign a pretty decent deal, he did it in the worst possible tax-district in the NHL.
It's interesting to see how this influences the rest of the roster as well. 
If Reilly was gone, does Sandin's party get more?  Do the big star players re-sign in Toronto or move on?
And will this influence Reilly's game play?  Does he go from trying to look good for a new contract to just doing what's needed to win?
And does this continue to reflect on the culture Dubas has created, where players want to be in Toronto?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think that's maybe true, although I feel like with 5 million you probably could land a pretty good winger on the UFA market if not exactly as good as Hyman, but I think you have to weigh that against the ability to find a good top 6 winger on the cheap vs. finding a top 2 defenseman on the cheap.

Yeah I think that's fair but for $7.5mil you could have theoretically landed another defenceman too who would have been roughly at Rielly's level (Klingberg? Lindholm?). Or spent a little less on a replacement and invested the savings on another middle-6 winger. For all the talk about how much the big-4 forwards cost our big-3 on defence is probably right at the top of the league too in terms of combined cap hit now.

 

[Kin]

Also, and I don't care who's sick of me saying stuff like this, it's absolute raw garbage that a popular, talented player who the Leafs drafted has signed a perfectly reasonable deal wherein his talents are fairly valued in order to stay with the team long term and some people are saying it's bad because they think that being savvy sports fans means becoming amateur actuaries worried about whether or not it's the absolute most efficient use of every single cap dollar humanly possible.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Also, and I don't care who's sick of me saying stuff like this, it's absolute raw garbage that a popular, talented player who the Leafs drafted has signed a perfectly reasonable deal wherein his talents are fairly valued in order to stay with the team long term and some people are saying it's bad because they think that being savvy sports fans means becoming amateur actuaries worried about whether or not it's the absolute most efficient use of every single cap dollar humanly possible.

Yes.

 

[ZBBM]

I like Rielly, but I think this was a bad idea.  :-\

Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

Is that your only consideration though?  Like, as long as a player signs for a little less than full market UFA value then it's what the Leafs should do?

Trading him for a more cost controlled younger and maybe a little less offensive with more defense type might be a good move, right?

Now if Sandin progresses into Rielly-lite this season, how do you afford him?  These re-signing decisions have impacts on who they can no longer re-sign....it's not just about "they took a little less so it's a good move".

Why would any team make that trade? Who is sending a cost controlled talented young defence man for an impending UFA?

I don't know, you add to it or whatever...I'm just saying that there's a bigger picture to consider.

All this.  My issue is that I don't think he's the right guy to commit like this to.  Whatever his ranking is in league-wide good deals for d-men is not the most relevant consideration.

 

[ZBBM]

According to Capfriendly, this equals out to $3,515,877 net income.
This would only be $630,466 more than Tampa Bay's Mikhail Sergachev.
Not only did he sign a pretty decent deal, he did it in the worst possible tax-district in the NHL.
It's interesting to see how this influences the rest of the roster as well. 
If Reilly was gone, does Sandin's party get more?  Do the big star players re-sign in Toronto or move on?
And will this influence Reilly's game play?  Does he go from trying to look good for a new contract to just doing what's needed to win?
And does this continue to reflect on the culture Dubas has created, where players want to be in Toronto?

All good questions.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah I think that's fair but for $7.5mil you could have theoretically landed another defenceman too who would have been roughly at Rielly's level (Klingberg? Lindholm?). Or spent a little less on a replacement and invested the savings on another middle-6 winger. For all the talk about how much the big-4 forwards cost our big-3 on defence is probably right at the top of the league too in terms of combined cap hit now.

If we were closer to the UFA market opening up, maybe you wait on it and hope to sign one of the few prominent UFA options that might be available at that price point. This far away from the offseason? I don't think that's something that can have much weight in the decision making. I also don't think Klingberg makes it to UFA (and, if he does, I can see someone offering him $8M+), and the rest of the options feel like sideways moves, downgrades, or taking chances on guys on the downsides of their careers.

I also don't think there are really options out there that would come cheaper without being a huge drop off in talent. The UFA market for defence this offseason is looking pretty top heavy right now. The free agent options are basically give similar money for a similarly talented player or have a huge hole in the blueline. The Leafs decided familiarity was preferable. Barring a trade that really fell heavily in their favour, it's probably the right call.

 

[dappleganger]

I like Rielly, but I think this was a bad idea.  :-\

What would have been a good idea then?

Trading him.

Unfortunately I agree with this.

 

[dappleganger]

I like Rielly, but I think this was a bad idea.  :-\

What would have been a good idea then?

Trading him.

For what?

I think you try to replicate what the Jets did with Trouba bringing back Pionk.

 

[Frank E]

Also, and I don't care who's sick of me saying stuff like this, it's absolute raw garbage that a popular, talented player who the Leafs drafted has signed a perfectly reasonable deal wherein his talents are fairly valued in order to stay with the team long term and some people are saying it's bad because they think that being savvy sports fans means becoming amateur actuaries worried about whether or not it's the absolute most efficient use of every single cap dollar humanly possible.

Raw garbage eh?  You can still like Rielly and appreciate all the things he brings to the table and disagree that this is the best use of $7.5m in cap space for the coming few years.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.