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Morgan Rielly extended 8 years @ 7.5M

CarltonTheBear said:
Guilt Trip said:
Honest question....can you find someone as good as him that the Leafs could have signed for that money as a UFA?

This exact same thing could have been said about Hyman and generally speaking everyone was in agreement that letting him walk was the right call.

Yeah because his contract and length demand were nuts. I don?t think that?s the same thing here at all. Put it this way, if they had signed hyman that would for sure mean that Rielly is gone. Would you make that trade?
 
Frank E said:
Nik said:
Also, and I don't care who's sick of me saying stuff like this, it's absolute raw garbage that a popular, talented player who the Leafs drafted has signed a perfectly reasonable deal wherein his talents are fairly valued in order to stay with the team long term and some people are saying it's bad because they think that being savvy sports fans means becoming amateur actuaries worried about whether or not it's the absolute most efficient use of every single cap dollar humanly possible.

Raw garbage eh?  You can still like Rielly and appreciate all the things he brings to the table and disagree that this is the best use of $7.5m in cap space for the coming few years.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

He's saying the system (hard cap) that forces fans to think like that is what's raw garbage.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik said:
Also, and I don't care who's sick of me saying stuff like this, it's absolute raw garbage that a popular, talented player who the Leafs drafted has signed a perfectly reasonable deal wherein his talents are fairly valued in order to stay with the team long term and some people are saying it's bad because they think that being savvy sports fans means becoming amateur actuaries worried about whether or not it's the absolute most efficient use of every single cap dollar humanly possible.

Yes.

I just want to see the Leafs win a Cup.  Whether that's with Rielly or Bob McFart on D and Sam Nobody as your top scorer, I don't really care at this point.  Just win.
 
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Zee said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik said:
Also, and I don't care who's sick of me saying stuff like this, it's absolute raw garbage that a popular, talented player who the Leafs drafted has signed a perfectly reasonable deal wherein his talents are fairly valued in order to stay with the team long term and some people are saying it's bad because they think that being savvy sports fans means becoming amateur actuaries worried about whether or not it's the absolute most efficient use of every single cap dollar humanly possible.

Yes.

I just want to see the Leafs win a Cup.  Whether that's with Rielly or Bob McFart on D and Sam Nobody as your top scorer, I don't really care at this point.  Just win.

I'm getting a McFart jersey next.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Nik said:
Also, and I don't care who's sick of me saying stuff like this, it's absolute raw garbage that a popular, talented player who the Leafs drafted has signed a perfectly reasonable deal wherein his talents are fairly valued in order to stay with the team long term and some people are saying it's bad because they think that being savvy sports fans means becoming amateur actuaries worried about whether or not it's the absolute most efficient use of every single cap dollar humanly possible.

Raw garbage eh?  You can still like Rielly and appreciate all the things he brings to the table and disagree that this is the best use of $7.5m in cap space for the coming few years.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

He's saying the system (hard cap) that forces fans to think like that is what's raw garbage.

"Forces" might be a bit strong as you can try to enjoy the game without worrying if every single move your team makes is best business practice but, yeah, that was a criticism of the environment.
 
Nik said:
"Forces" might be a bit strong as you can try to enjoy the game without worrying if every single move your team makes is best business practice but, yeah, that was a criticism of the environment.

The second I re-read "forces" I knew you were gonna take issue with that hah, but yeah I hear you.
 
herman said:
It would be so nice if each of the big three re-upped at 8yrs x 8.625M AAV.

LOL Good luck with that. I was reading the other day and of the top 20 paid players in the league everyone signed for 7 or 8 years. Ovechkin didn't in his new contract which is understandable considering his age. Only 2 players didn't sign for the 7 or 8 years. I'll let you figure out who the 2 are.
 
azzurri63 said:
herman said:
It would be so nice if each of the big three re-upped at 8yrs x 8.625M AAV.

LOL Good luck with that. I was reading the other day and of the top 20 paid players in the league everyone signed for 7 or 8 years. Ovechkin didn't in his new contract which is understandable considering his age. Only 2 players didn't sign for the 7 or 8 years. I'll let you figure out who the 2 are.

What is your point? Honestly I don?t understand what you?re getting at.
 
Many here were assuming Rielly was an automatic for an 8.5 or 9 mil. contract, Dubie signed him for less so I guess that's a good thing.

Someone stated that since he signed for less than he might have received on the open market, he wants to remain a Leaf and that's a good thing, didn't the Muskegoen 5 also want to remain Leafs?

It was also assumed that Barrie would get tons of money when he became an UFA, he ended up signing for 3.5 mil. for 1 year, he now is making 4.5 mil. which is less than he made(AAV) in his TO year. Barrie was the highest scoring dman in the NHL last year, he was playing 3 to 4 minutes less than the other high scoring dmen, his +/- was only 4 less positive than the best dman last year, Adam Fox.

Both Rielly and Barrie don't PK, I think most would agree that being apart of the offense is their strong suits, the dmen that are getting the big $s are exceptional both offensively and defensively, they're exceptional at all times in every scenario during a game. They deserve the big money.

The real question should be, is Rielly that exceptional at anything and therefore deserving huge money or is he more like Barrie and Krug, is he now officially overpaid.
 
Joe S. said:
azzurri63 said:
herman said:
It would be so nice if each of the big three re-upped at 8yrs x 8.625M AAV.

LOL Good luck with that. I was reading the other day and of the top 20 paid players in the league everyone signed for 7 or 8 years. Ovechkin didn't in his new contract which is understandable considering his age. Only 2 players didn't sign for the 7 or 8 years. I'll let you figure out who the 2 are.

What is your point? Honestly I don?t understand what you?re getting at.

What I'm getting at is Herman hoping some of our players would re-up for less money and more term. Good luck with that. All teams of the players I mentioned all signed for 7 or 8 years. Dubas got bent over is what I'm saying. Players didnt give a rats ass about cap hit they were only looking for one thing.
 
azzurri63 said:
Joe S. said:
azzurri63 said:
herman said:
It would be so nice if each of the big three re-upped at 8yrs x 8.625M AAV.

LOL Good luck with that. I was reading the other day and of the top 20 paid players in the league everyone signed for 7 or 8 years. Ovechkin didn't in his new contract which is understandable considering his age. Only 2 players didn't sign for the 7 or 8 years. I'll let you figure out who the 2 are.

What is your point? Honestly I don?t understand what you?re getting at.

What I'm getting at is Herman hoping some of our players would re-up for less money and more term. Good luck with that. All teams of the players I mentioned all signed for 7 or 8 years. Dubas got bent over is what I'm saying. Players didnt give a rats ass about cap hit they were only looking for one thing.

I mean that?s nice and all but wouldn?t you be looking out for your own money too?

If they told me at work ?look we want to keep you but we only have x amount in our budget and we really want to sign Todd over there so will you take a pay cut to stay?? I?d tell them to F off.
 
azzurri63 said:
Joe S. said:
azzurri63 said:
herman said:
It would be so nice if each of the big three re-upped at 8yrs x 8.625M AAV.

LOL Good luck with that. I was reading the other day and of the top 20 paid players in the league everyone signed for 7 or 8 years. Ovechkin didn't in his new contract which is understandable considering his age. Only 2 players didn't sign for the 7 or 8 years. I'll let you figure out who the 2 are.

What is your point? Honestly I don?t understand what you?re getting at.

What I'm getting at is Herman hoping some of our players would re-up for less money and more term. Good luck with that. All teams of the players I mentioned all signed for 7 or 8 years. Dubas got bent over is what I'm saying. Players didnt give a rats ass about cap hit they were only looking for one thing.
Our big three all signed 5 or 6 year contracts which is exactly in line with what Stamkos, Hedman, Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Perry and many more did on their 2nd contracts. Those guys signed longer terms on their 3rd contracts, just like Rielly did...
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Next year Morgan Rielly will make 1.5 million more than Jesperi Kotkaniemi.

Kotkaniemi is getting a pay cut next year unless he signs a long-term deal that pays him for the future. 
 
hobarth said:
Someone stated that since he signed for less than he might have received on the open market, he wants to remain a Leaf and that's a good thing, didn't the Muskegoen 5 also want to remain Leafs?

What in the world does that have to do with anything?

hobarth said:
It was also assumed that Barrie would get tons of money when he became an UFA, he ended up signing for 3.5 mil. for 1 year, he now is making 4.5 mil. which is less than he made(AAV) in his TO year. Barrie was the highest scoring dman in the NHL last year, he was playing 3 to 4 minutes less than the other high scoring dmen, his +/- was only 4 less positive than the best dman last year, Adam Fox.

Absolutely all of this is either incorrect or irrelevant. Who assumed Barrie would get big money as a UFA?

hobarth said:
the dmen that are getting the big $s are exceptional both offensively and defensively, they're exceptional at all times in every scenario during a game. They deserve the big money.

This is also untrue.

hobarth said:
The real question should be, is Rielly that exceptional at anything and therefore deserving huge money

He didn't get huge money.
 
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