Leafs acquire the rights to Chris Tanev [signed 6 years, $4.5mil AAV]

[cw]

Giordano, at 40, is the oldest player in the league. No one would seriously think even a 5 year term was on good faith.

70 NHL skaters played until they were in their 40s, 32 players to age 41 or more.
7 year deal for Tanev taking him to 41 is a stretch but isn't completely indefensible.
Maybe it is a 6 year deal to age 40 and they can't really say anything.

Only four skaters have made it to 45 so a 5 year deal for Giordano would really raise eyebrows.

Sorry, realized my post was unclear. I was referring to Tanev. Some are suggesting an 8-year deal. He turns 35 late this year, which would make him 43 at the end of the contract.

He's not eligible for an 8yr deal.
7 years from now when that max length deal would end, as he is 34 now, he'll be 41.

If they're worried at all, they can do it over 6 years which probably gets him down close to $4 mil/yr (if they don't run into a tax hurdle ...). Since he's not staying in Tx, and he's already earned $40 mil, maybe he's past that hurdle and wants to finish his career at home ...

Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day ...

+

Thanks for clarifying. He'll actually be 42 at the end of a 7 year deal, but that's beside the point.

Date_____ Age Yr
30-Jun-24 34
30-Jun-25 35 1
30-Jun-26 36 2
30-Jun-27 37 3
30-Jun-28 38 4
30-Jun-29 39 5
30-Jun-30 40 6
30-Jun-31 41 7

Playing to 40 is rare. And given he's a physical player, I'm quite concerned his play is going to drop off a cliff fast.

The chances of him finishing that contract playing are miniscule.
Robidas Island currently has no tenants. Can't let that asset go to waste!!

The risk with that career of physical wear and tear is that he could hit a wall next season.

Definitely going to be interesting. If he's signing to a reasonable number and term, I'll be ok. I hope they're going after someone else more aggressively though.

He's going to be expensive, but Pesce would be my #1 target.

A lot of chatter (for whatever that is worth) seems to have Pesce going to the Devils. They traded Marino to make room. Earlier in the month the Leafs were linked but that seems to have died down. He's American. I liked Roy but he's American too and there doesn't seem to be much noise that he's considering Toronto. Again, it is rumours so who really knows for sure?

The name that both Dreger & Friedman recently added the Leafs were in on (aside from Zadorov) was Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Getting another offensive dman could be motivated if they're not going to qualify Liljegren.

Rielly Tanev
Ekman-Larsson McCabe
Benoit Lyubushkin?

Rielly Tanev
McCabe Zadorov
Benoit RH offensive dman?

Lots of possibilities but the RH dman market could shrink before 5pm today.

 

[dappleganger]

A lot of chatter (for whatever that is worth) seems to have Pesce going to the Devils. They traded Marino to make room. Earlier in the month the Leafs were linked but that seems to have died down. He's American. I liked Roy but he's American too and there doesn't seem to be much noise that he's considering Toronto. Again, it is rumours so who really knows for sure?

The name that both Dreger & Friedman recently added the Leafs were in on (aside from Zadorov) was Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Getting another offensive dman could be motivated if they're not going to qualify Liljegren.

Rielly Tanev
Ekman-Larsson McCabe
Benoit Lyubushkin?

Rielly Tanev
McCabe Zadorov
Benoit RH offensive dman?

Lots of possibilities but the RH dman market could shrink before 5pm today.

I'll take the second D-group (sans OEL) and if Lyubushkin, Edmundson, want to come back that's good with me. Jettison Timmins if they're not going to play him. I'd also look to sign Klingberg to a ($900k?) contract for depth.

 

[Bullfrog]

ooops. My math was off!

I'm cautious of relying on "robidas island". What if he remains healthy enough to play, but his play has dropped off dramatically? Would you be comfortable paying Giordano $4.5M?

 

[bustaheims]

ooops. My math was off!

I'm cautious of relying on "robidas island". What if he remains healthy enough to play, but his play has dropped off dramatically? Would you be comfortable paying Giordano $4.5M?

I have the same concerns. The contract also needs to be structured in a way that a buyout wouldn?t be too onerous on the cap if he doesn?t ?retire? before it?s done.

 

[dekedastardly]

This team needs Zadorov

 

[princedpw]

This team needs Zadorov

My understanding was that Zadorov was a #6 defenseman for most of his career but had 4 months of great play last year. I think whoever gets him at his purportedly massive ask will regret it in a year.

 

[bustaheims]

This team needs Zadorov

My understanding was that Zadorov was a #6 defenseman for most of his career but had 4 months of great play last year. I think whoever gets him at his purportedly massive ask will regret it in a year.

Basically, yeah. He?s best suited as a 3rd pairing guy.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

This team needs Zadorov

My understanding was that Zadorov was a #6 defenseman for most of his career but had 4 months of great play last year. I think whoever gets him at his purportedly massive ask will regret it in a year.

I think it's a little unfair to call just him just a #6 defenceman. I mean Benoit's a #6 defenceman, Zadorov's on a higher level than him. He's really come into his own over the last few years and most of that he was buried behind a very strong top-4 D in Calgary. His defensive impacts have generally been very strong in admittedly not super tough minutes. So I dunno, I'd still definitely be uncomfortable giving him $5mil especially with term but he's also not a typical bottom pair guy. Somewhere in between that.

 

[L K]

This team needs Zadorov

My understanding was that Zadorov was a #6 defenseman for most of his career but had 4 months of great play last year. I think whoever gets him at his purportedly massive ask will regret it in a year.

Basically, yeah. He?s best suited as a 3rd pairing guy.

He's a 3rd pairing guy who adds extra stuff because of his shot and feistiness.  It's probably better to think of him as a specialist player.  Kind of like a PK or PL specialist....he's a throw big hits, be mean and have a big blueline shot specialist

The Leafs are always going to have to look at additions relative to what they have.  To me Zadorov is better than Lyubushkin.  I'd rather have him back at 2.5 than Zadorov at 5.5+.  But if Ilya wants 3-4 and Zadorov is 5-6 I think I'd rather go with Zadorov

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He's a 3rd pairing guy who adds extra stuff because of his shot and feistiness.  It's probably better to think of him as a specialist player.  Kind of like a PK or PL specialist....he's a throw big hits, be mean and have a big blueline shot specialist

That's the thing yeah. Zadorov's really has all the elements to be a top-4 defenceman the past few seasons, but he just hasn't been given those minutes. Again, in Calgary he was buried. With Vancouver he worked his way into top-4 minutes finally by the end and he was playing the best hockey of his career. I get why teams would be very intrigued by him. But it's certainly a risk, especially if you need to offer him term.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The Leafs are always going to have to look at additions relative to what they have.  To me Zadorov is better than Lyubushkin.  I'd rather have him back at 2.5 than Zadorov at 5.5+.  But if Ilya wants 3-4 and Zadorov is 5-6 I think I'd rather go with Zadorov

Yeah one of these guys is a bottom pair D.

 

[dekedastardly]

Edmundson added quite a lot to the back end, Lyubushkin too. But Zadorov is next level nasty, and I can't remember the last time the Leafs D had that.

 

[cw]

This team needs Zadorov

My understanding was that Zadorov was a #6 defenseman for most of his career but had 4 months of great play last year. I think whoever gets him at his purportedly massive ask will regret it in a year.

Basically, yeah. He?s best suited as a 3rd pairing guy.

He's a 3rd pairing guy who adds extra stuff because of his shot and feistiness.  It's probably better to think of him as a specialist player.  Kind of like a PK or PL specialist....he's a throw big hits, be mean and have a big blueline shot specialist

The Leafs are always going to have to look at additions relative to what they have.  To me Zadorov is better than Lyubushkin.  I'd rather have him back at 2.5 than Zadorov at 5.5+.  But if Ilya wants 3-4 and Zadorov is 5-6 I think I'd rather go with Zadorov

AFP Analytics has Lyubushkin @ $1.5M expected cap hit for next year & Edmundson @ $1.7M for 2 years.
I wasn't a fan of Lyubushkin last time but I thought he played pretty well in the playoffs - certainly qualified as a 5-6 dman.

Rielly (7.5) Tanev (4)
McCabe (2) ______________
Edmundson (1.7) Lyubushkin (1.5)
Benoit (1.35)

Add an offensive RH dman with some snarl and that wouldn't be an easy D to play against.

 

[dappleganger]

This team needs Zadorov

My understanding was that Zadorov was a #6 defenseman for most of his career but had 4 months of great play last year. I think whoever gets him at his purportedly massive ask will regret it in a year.

Basically, yeah. He?s best suited as a 3rd pairing guy.

He's a 3rd pairing guy who adds extra stuff because of his shot and feistiness.  It's probably better to think of him as a specialist player.  Kind of like a PK or PL specialist....he's a throw big hits, be mean and have a big blueline shot specialist

The Leafs are always going to have to look at additions relative to what they have.  To me Zadorov is better than Lyubushkin.  I'd rather have him back at 2.5 than Zadorov at 5.5+.  But if Ilya wants 3-4 and Zadorov is 5-6 I think I'd rather go with Zadorov

AFP Analytics has Lyubushkin @ $1.5M expected cap hit for next year & Edmundson @ $1.7M for 2 years.
I wasn't a fan of Lyubushkin last time but I thought he played pretty well in the playoffs - certainly qualified as a 5-6 dman.

Rielly (7.5) Tanev (4)
McCabe (2) ______________
Edmundson (1.7) Lyubushkin (1.5)
Benoit (1.35)

Add an offensive RH dman with some snarl and that wouldn't be an easy D to play against.

I'd take either Lyubushkin or Edmunson back at those numbers.

 

[Highlander]

This team needs Zadorov

I will second that.

 

[L K]

Any rumblings on getting closer to a deal?

 

[cw]

Any rumblings on getting closer to a deal?

I haven't see any.
I've done some searches for them.

If they don't sign him, social media could get very ugly for the Leafs.

They're allowed to go over the cap by 10%. They might land Zadorov or a RH dman that way as long as they have a reasonable path to getting under the cap.

 

[Zee]

Any rumblings on getting closer to a deal?

My stomach was rumbling until we had some gnocchi

 

[Bender]

Any rumblings on getting closer to a deal?

My stomach was rumbling until we had some gnocchi

That'll stop it from rumbling and put you firmly on the couch!

 

[cw]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807465045422481569

This may be gumming it up ... (u have to read the whole tweet)