Nonis using depth to go shopping....

[Tigger]

I thought Kulemin and Kadri was for Carter and Richards would have cost more. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, though.

I also recall Burke saying no to that deal (Carter) rather than it not being enough. I don't remember hearing the exact cost of Richards in terms of assets.

Philly asked for Kadri and Kulemin in exchange for Carter, and Burke said declined. After Carter was traded they offered Richards for the same package and Burke said he'd consider it this time. Philly then made the trade with LA before Burke got back to Holmgrem.

At least, that's what was speculated.

edit: Found the tweets from Dreger:

Flyers asked for Kadri and Kulemin from the Leafs for Mike Richards. Toronto said they would consider it, but never heard back from Phi.

Leafs were also interested in Carter and Kadri was discussed, but Tor wouldn't include Kulemin to close deal for Carter.

Thanks, that makes a bit more sense to me now and it probably means Philly wasn't prepared to accept Kadri and Kulemin for Mike with the LA offer on the table or they probably would have got back to Burke ( if that's all true ).

 

[Capn_Crunch]

#IBN is tweeting that medical clearence for JVR has been received and all that holds up the potential deal is they are having trouble deciding on who else comes with JVR in a deal for Schenn and a as of yet unnamed prospect. Apparently BB wants Read as well and philly doesn't want to part with him.

He also states that Philly approached BB in dec with the proposed deal.

Interesting bit of info there is it turns out to be true.
Anyone know anything about Read?

 

[maplesyrup]

Isn't Read leading all rookies in scoring? I don't know, JVR + Read for Schenn seems a bit of a stretch to me to say the least. Personally, I'd do it straight up... Not sure Philly needs to be the team to add the kicker... but what do I know?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

What is IBN?

 

[maplesyrup]

What is IBN?

Exactly.

 

[bustaheims]

What is IBN?

Incomprehensible Bull Network?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

What is IBN?

Incomprehensible Bull Network?

Incomprehensibly Believed Nutbar

 

[L K]

Really?  I have a hard time seeing that as a definite win at the time.  Kulemin was coming off a big season where he looked like he was hitting his stride.  He offered strong defensive play, some physicality (not bone crushing hits like we saw a week ago) and maybe could be a guy who put up 25-30 goals a year.

Richards was coming off two years of 60 point seasons, while being a good defensive player and was partially being traded because of some of his off-ice behaviours in Philly.  I'm not disappointed that we didn't acquire him, even factoring in Kulemin's struggles.  Heck, despite Kulemin's abysmal season, Richards is only ahead of him by 8 points.

 

[rdowdall]

#IBN is tweeting that medical clearence for JVR has been received and all that holds up the potential deal is they are having trouble deciding on who else comes with JVR in a deal for Schenn and a as of yet unnamed prospect. Apparently BB wants Read as well and philly doesn't want to part with him.

He also states that Philly approached BB in dec with the proposed deal.

Interesting bit of info there is it turns out to be true.
Anyone know anything about Read?

I'm pretty sure Read would not be in any deal with the Leafs.  He was an unsigned college guy, but his skating is off the charts.  They say that he just managed to put it all together a couple of years ago.  I don't see how he is a part of any deal to Toronto.

 

[Corn Flake]

What is IBN?

it's the bowel disease of the internet.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

What is IBN?

it's the bowel disease of the internet.

;D

 

[Redleaf]

What is IBN?

it's the bowel disease of the internet.

So... IBN is the Intestinal Bug Network.

 

[Champ Kind]

#IBN is tweeting that medical clearence for JVR has been received and all that holds up the potential deal is they are having trouble deciding on who else comes with JVR in a deal for Schenn and a as of yet unnamed prospect. Apparently BB wants Read as well and philly doesn't want to part with him.

He also states that Philly approached BB in dec with the proposed deal.

Interesting bit of info there is it turns out to be true.
Anyone know anything about Read?

I'm pretty sure Read would not be in any deal with the Leafs.  He was an unsigned college guy, but his skating is off the charts.  They say that he just managed to put it all together a couple of years ago.  I don't see how he is a part of any deal to Toronto.

Philly is desperate?  It wouldn't be the first time an overpayment took place.  That said. maybe I'm wearing rose coloured glasses and just hoping it's true.

I'm with Sarge, I think JVR for Schenn straight up is a coup for Toronto.

On second thought, maybe Holmgren and Burke have their lines crossed ala first round pick fiasco in the Kessel trade.

 

[maplesyrup]

So Jeff Carter's NTC doesn't kick in 'till this summer, right? He's had a horrible, injury riddled season and even when in, hasn't been the same player he was in Philly. I find it hard to believe that the "real" Jeff Carter is the one we've seen (er, rarely seen) with the Blue Jackets... Anyone think he's available? If so, do you think he's still worth looking at?   

 

[Erndog]

So Jeff Carter's NTC doesn't kick in 'till this summer, right? He's had a horrible, injury riddled season and even when in, hasn't been the same player he was in Philly. I find it hard to believe that the "real" Jeff Carter is the one we've seen (er, rarely seen) with the Blue Jackets... Anyone think he's available? If so, do you think he's still worth looking at? 

I'm very hesitant because of the term.  Like you, I don't think this is the real Jeff Carter.  He's a 30-40 goal scorer, 70+ point guy.  Wicked shot, great release, solid enough 2-way game and although you'd probably like him to be a little more physical, he's no chump either.  Great size, good hands, close to the complete package really.

I think it goes without saying though that he could/would benefit from a change in scenary.  Injuries and sulking have basically killed his season.  Similar to Lupul actually, a healthy, happy season would rejeuvante the guy. 

I love his $5.27M cap hit.  I hate his 11 year term.  Although, the last 3 years are basically "buy out years" where he is getting $2M or so... so realistically, it looks like an 8 year deal.  Still a little too long.  As we've seen before, WAY too much can happen in the interim.

I'd probaby pass solely because in 5-6 years who knows what the hell we could be getting?  If it's a Scott Gomez situation, we'd be fudged (dumping $5M a year for 5+ years is probably not going to happen).

 

[bustaheims]

I'm very hesitant because of the term.  Like you, I don't think this is the real Jeff Carter.  He's a 30-40 goal scorer, 70+ point guy. Wicked shot, great release, solid enough 2-way game and although you'd probably like him to be a little more physical, he's no chump either.  Great size, good hands, close to the complete package really.

This may be nitpicking a little, but, being that he's only surpassed 66 points once, I'd say he's more of a 30ish goal, 60 point guy.

 

[Capn_Crunch]

#IBN is tweeting that medical clearence for JVR has been received and all that holds up the potential deal is they are having trouble deciding on who else comes with JVR in a deal for Schenn and a as of yet unnamed prospect. Apparently BB wants Read as well and philly doesn't want to part with him.

He also states that Philly approached BB in dec with the proposed deal.

Interesting bit of info there is it turns out to be true.
Anyone know anything about Read?

I'm pretty sure Read would not be in any deal with the Leafs.  He was an unsigned college guy, but his skating is off the charts.  They say that he just managed to put it all together a couple of years ago.  I don't see how he is a part of any deal to Toronto.

Philly is desperate?  It wouldn't be the first time an overpayment took place.  That said. maybe I'm wearing rose coloured glasses and just hoping it's true.

I'm with Sarge, I think JVR for Schenn straight up is a coup for Toronto.

On second thought, maybe Holmgren and Burke have their lines crossed ala first round pick fiasco in the Kessel trade.

I didn't know anything about read at the time I posted, I assumed wrongly that he was a prospect. After seeing his numbers this year and his scouting report I would think that we'd have to make it a good prospect to have him included in the deal. He also is very cap friendly for his production which makes me think that philly would need to keep him simply because they are going to need some help that way at some point.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

#IBN is tweeting that medical clearence for JVR has been received and all that holds up the potential deal is they are having trouble deciding on who else comes with JVR in a deal for Schenn and a as of yet unnamed prospect. Apparently BB wants Read as well and philly doesn't want to part with him.

He also announced on Sunday that a deal will be announced on Wednesday at the latest. He also made it pretty clear that the only thing holding the trade up was medical reports. Now it seems like the two sides are pretty far apart.

It's almost as if he's making things up as he goes. Almost.

 

[maplesyrup]

I was listening to the Sportsnet crew last night and they were thinking Philly might be a spot Suter winds up and it made a lot of sense to me. It would end any discussion over Schenn going there and then I though, hmmm maybe Schenn would be a decent replacement FOR Suter. Does Schenn + Kulemin + a pick or prospect get us into the conversation for him?

I'm just thinkinging 3.6 (Schenn) + ~ 3 (Kulemin) for next year = ~Phaneuf money and I think Suter is likely to get that. Is it crazy to spend ~13 mil on these two defencemen or would it be worth it having them anchoring our blue-line for some time? 

Phaneuf, Suter, Liles, Gunnarsson, Franson, Gardiner, Aulie... Maybe buy-out Komisarek (or keep him.) - That um, a pretty nice group!

Edit: It would then allow Nashville to trade a forward for a bit of cap space.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Maybe buy-out Komisarek (or keep him.)

Cody is a keeper. If you need to move some defencemen, give up Schenn, Komi and perhaps Aulie, we seem to have plenty in the system. And we can give Finger the Finger!

Certainly I agree with you assessment about Komi.  But realistically what team in the NHL would take him, and his contract (for another 2 1/2 years)?

.................

Possibly Aulie might have the highest upside of any of the younger defencemen on the Leafs.  He is strong, and has good awareness, and is quite solid defensively.

I have a suggestion with Komisarek.  Reading reports on him in the last year like this one:

" In one year with the Canadiens, Komisarek was statistically cutting edge. In 2007-08, he led all defenceman in the NHL in hits and also was the runaway leader in blocked shots. It was that kind of 20-plus minute physical warrior the Leafs thought they were signing as a free agent."

"This one isn't finishing well for him, even if it may be for the team. Komisarek ranks 29th in the NHL in hits among defencemen and 69th in blocked shots, his former speciality.

Under normal business circumstances, the Leafs would have a decision to make at the end of the season: Do they keep Komisarek, and continue to pay top defenceman money for a third-pair defender? Or do they buy out the final three years of his contract?"

""No chance," said Burke, when asked about a possible buy-out. "We love what he adds from a character standpoint. His play has improved and we think that it can and will continue."

To spend time with Komisarek, it is easy to understand Burke's faith in him. He is an engaging individual who can light up a dressing room by his mere presence and is clearly one of the more mature members of a very young hockey team. To know him is to like him and to believe in him, which makes the past two seasons all the more difficult to comprehend. "

Then last month I read:

Blues Eyeing another D man

"Armstrong scouts other NHL teams as much as any GM out there. This is why people get all alarmed when he?s spotted watching Toronto play Boston or Pittsburgh battle Washington as he recently has."

"If you look around the NHL there are a few things the best teams tend to have in common. They?re deep up the middle and they have at least three legitimate, quality NHL D-men who can play in all situations."

"Sure they have some players currently developing into top NHL D-men in Alex Pietrangelo and Kevin Shattenkirk. Both players are relatively ?green? though when you compare them to the top defenseman playing for San Jose, Chicago, Detroit, Nashville, and Vancouver."

"Multiple sources tell me Armstrong will likely eye another D-man before the trade deadline. Landing a defenseman who can eat a ton of minutes and play in all situations is likely what the Blues will covet. If the Blues are successful in landing a true experienced D-man they would set themselves up very nicely.

This player may not become available until we get closer to the deadline. If Armstrong can locate a team looking to dump a salary don?t be shocked if the Blues add a defenseman sometime down the line."

The biggest question I have is Komisarek's Limited NTC.  When he submitted his list of teams did it include St Louis??  I guess he would quickly waive his NTC anyway.  Would Burke and Leafs management move Komisarek though?  They seems VERY high on his mature/calming presence on the team.

Lastly, Aulie is a keeper in my books because he can play solid minutes as a depth dman and can fight.  As I have tried to follow him I have noticed that he has fought even AHL heavyweights and did well. He is a good enough "sherriff" in my books to make a goon not necessary in the Leafs lineup.  I would just hate for Aulie to be looked upon for staged fights and crap like that.