Sudafederov
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Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
I can't believe Anaheim is only 1 pt behind us. I think they were 20 pts behind us at one point.
Nonis using depth to go shopping....
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I can't believe Anaheim is only 1 pt behind us. I think they were 20 pts behind us at one point.
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Jalili
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Sarge said:
Shoulda traded MacArthur for one of those 1sts.
louisstamos
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Sarge said:
MacArthur I *may* have done...Kulemin would be tempting too considering his year this year.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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I'd have moved Grabo for a top ten pick and Mac for a top twenty pick.Sarge said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Depends on the quality of the draft and such, hard to say who should have went for what without knowing that and the potential pick position.
If the Leafs were offered a top 10-ish pick for Grabovski I would have been all over it too but I doubt it was more than a bottom 5.
Coderaspberry
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It really does depend on where the 1st would've been. Top 10 is a no-brainer for any of those guys, imo, but that seems incredibly unlikely. Top 20 is probably alright for MacArthur, and I think I'd do it for Grabbo too if there was a second asset. Anything beyond that, and meh, it's pretty much a wash.
bustaheims
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Sarge said:
Considering what's being said about the prospects in the range those picks would likely have been in, not moving them was the right move on all counts. It's unlikely that the prospects that come from the back end of the 1st round in this year's draft become as good as or better than any of those players.
Kush said:
Agreed.
The other thing that kills me is the mere suggestion that BB & co are considering a 10 no trade window in advance of next year's trade deadline so that the players "can relax".
RELAX????
They looked pretty much relaxed last Saturday night.
In fact, "relaxed" does not cover it; a more apt description would be "narcoleptic".
The treatment of Leaf fans who actually pay for the pleasure of attending such snoozefests is akin to narcoleptic sex with a hooker. In this analogy
I'm just not sure which one of us is deader.
bustaheims said:
Totally agree here. If Burke felt the potential of the picks/prospects involved could exceed what he has today I think he would've done that. He and Nonis clearly stated they wanted to make a splash but the trades just weren't there. I don't think you have to look at what transpired today very closely to sense that that's very close to the truth!
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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KW Sluggo said:
Yeah, the guys need relaxation. All those golf rounds in early April. All those 1st period starts where they are half asleep.
I propose that the title of this thread be changed to:
Burke NOT using depth to go shopping
Look, I have no problem with not making trades today; in fact I very much concur with the idea. All I am saying is that we have some very bad contracts and some underperformers and that should have been addressed.
Specifics: Connolly, Armstrong and frankly, Schenn who by consensus seems to be a 5-6 dman -- and that is a 5-6 on a chronically non playoff team.
Heearns is paid over $3M per year.
Why? It sure isn't market value.
Compare the Armstrong contract and production with that of Dustin Brown of the Kings. The money is comparable, the production certainly is not.
Time to dumptsuch players. While I may cut Schenn some slack (youth and maybe a coaching change would help him but given BB's reverence for Wilson, we may never know), the other two should have been traded for whatever .
Failing that, send a message: you are paying them anyway so waive them to the Marlies and give the opportunity to those who are willing to earn it.
As stands, the message is: management cares, just not that much.
The slogan in the Leaf dressing room used to read "Defeat does not rest lightly on their shoulders"
The antithesis must be the motto in the management suite.
Burke NOT using depth to go shopping
Look, I have no problem with not making trades today; in fact I very much concur with the idea. All I am saying is that we have some very bad contracts and some underperformers and that should have been addressed.
Specifics: Connolly, Armstrong and frankly, Schenn who by consensus seems to be a 5-6 dman -- and that is a 5-6 on a chronically non playoff team.
He
Why? It sure isn't market value.
Compare the Armstrong contract and production with that of Dustin Brown of the Kings. The money is comparable, the production certainly is not.
Time to dumptsuch players. While I may cut Schenn some slack (youth and maybe a coaching change would help him but given BB's reverence for Wilson, we may never know), the other two should have been traded for whatever .
Failing that, send a message: you are paying them anyway so waive them to the Marlies and give the opportunity to those who are willing to earn it.
As stands, the message is: management cares, just not that much.
The slogan in the Leaf dressing room used to read "Defeat does not rest lightly on their shoulders"
The antithesis must be the motto in the management suite.
bustaheims
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Bender said:
Yeah. I mean, looking at everything that went down over the past few weeks, I'm not really surprised the Leafs did nothing of significance. The prices on depth guys was high, and it's very likely there just wasn't a deal out there that made sense. I mean, Gaustad went for a 1st round pick! At these prices, unless a hockey deal could have been made, being a buyer in the traditional sense was clearly not an option. As for being a seller . . . sure, it would have been nice to see a couple of these guys moved out for picks or prospects, but, outside of Grabovski, the Leafs have final say on all of them as to whether or not they're still in the organization as of July 1st. These guys can still be moved leading up to the draft or in the summer. In fact, better deals may be out there for them, while also allowing Burke and co. more options to fill out the line-up without rushing prospects into major roles on an NHL roster before they're really ready for them. Today wasn't exactly the last opportunity for the Leafs to make changes going forward.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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Tigger said:
Nothing that you can't pick up at the sports section in your local Canadian Tire.
caver
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How can anyone doubt that Burke would have improved the team if he could have? Sure, there were some players that everyone wanted to come here but the price has to be right. If I want a hot dog and the vendor tells me it costs $20 i will go hungry. If Burke had gutted the prospect pool to get Nash the fans would call for his head. He explained that he would not throw away 4 years of building the organization up to get one guy. Good for him!
Guilt Trip
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I wouldn't have traded Schenn and I'm glad he didn't. He's 22 and this expert says he's top 4 and will be for a long long time.KW Sluggo said:
The "bad" contracts you speak of...nobody would give you anything for them. BB would have dumped Connolly, Komi, or Army if he had the chance.
As for the rest, I might have given up Mac for a top 15....not in the 20-30 range tho. He looks like he's going to have his best goal output ever this year. He's a good 2nd line guy. I highly doubt anyone offered a 1st for Kulemin tho despite what Dreger says.