LuncheonMeat
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RedLeaf said:
Kadri probably has more raw talent and potential, so he would likely be more attractive and have more value in a trade. ROR would be a great addition.
Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
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Kadri probably has more raw talent and potential, so he would likely be more attractive and have more value in a trade. ROR would be a great addition.
GhostofPotvin29
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RedLeaf said:
This is just never a fair argument to make. One player has 3100+ more minutes of playing time with Kessel and ~1000 more minutes with JVR. Give Kadri similar, consistent time with them and it's not a hard argument to make that he'd "fit" just as well.
Until then, it's hard to argue one is a better fit when that player has only ever been given the opportunity to play on the top line while the other hasn't.
GhostofPotvin29
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LuncheonMeat said:
Very Leaf-y to say "this player has more talent and potential than our #1 C, he should be the one dealt."
Redleaf
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Nik the Trik said:
I don't think you'd have to make that decision right away. I'd see how ROR looked on the first line, but keeping Bozak, at least as a 'Plan B' for that top line, should be a priority. He is a player that could slide up and down that lineup quite nicely either way.
Redleaf
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Nik the Trik said:
In a perfect world, I suppose. But we both know how hard it is to find chemistry between players sometimes. And no one can predict which players out there will click with others without seeing them play together first.
They've got a line that was one of the most productive in the NHL last year with Bozak at the centre position. I'd think they'd like to keep that line together and bring in a guy like ROR for the second line spot. I'd assume they'd prefer that player to be better at both ends of the ice than, say Kadri has been.
I think Bozak at least created some debate last year that he could stay in that No. 1 role. The way that line took off when he returned from injury was no fluke. I think I read somewhere that even the Corsi numbers supported the Bozak/Kessel chemistry this past season, after a couple of years that seemed to prove otherwise.
bustaheims
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RedLeaf said:
Regardless of whether or not that's true or even relevant - and, considering O'Reilly would likely be taking Bozak's spot on the top line, I'd say it's not - Kadri is, by a fairly substantial margin, the better player with the higher ceiling. I take Kadri over Bozak 11 times out of 10.
bustaheims
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LuncheonMeat said:
While that's probably true, the idea is to trade as little talent as possible when making trades. While the Avs would probably prefer Kadri to Bozak, that doesn't mean the Leafs should prioritize holding on to Bozak.
Kin
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RedLeaf said:
I really don't think it requires a perfect world for hockey executives to be confident about their ability to fit players into their systems in specific roles. Kadri and Bozak are very different players which is at least a credible reason why they might not be interchangeable but if you've seen through scouting that O'Reilly can do the same things Bozak can, that he plays a similar style but at a higher level, then I think you can predict how he'll fit.
And I really don't think that a good team with a good coach should have trouble fitting in three relatively complimentary pieces together given a season to work with. I buy the idea that some players are hard to match up in short windows but I really think three very talented hockey players can find a way to play well together given the time.
RedLeaf said:
Yeah, again, I'm still not sure if you're saying that the intention here is that O'Reilly play on the second line.
LuncheonMeat
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Potvin29 said:
Who said he should be the one dealt? I said he would likely be more attractive and have more value in a trade.
LuncheonMeat
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bustaheims said:
I agree, but I think on the off chance that this ever happens the Leafs would have to give up Kadri (+??) to make it happen. I would be OK with that and would be pretty happy with ROR/Bozak as our 1/2.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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It's incredible, Bozak move up and down the lineup? The guy is a decent 3rd line pivot at best who can play some PK and win faceoffs.
His production when he isn't carried by Phil is about on par with mine.
His production when he isn't carried by Phil is about on par with mine.
OldTimeHockey
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Patrick said:
Such a positive outlook on things.
