OHL thread....

[GhostofPotvin29]

No team I cheer for can ever have anything good happen to them.  Best Soo team I remember in my lifetime so far but they're running into one of the best junior players ever and he's literally going to single-handedly beat them.

Erie has 16 goals this series, excluding empty-netters.  McDavid has a point on 12 of them.  He has a point on 75% of his teams goals in a series.

 

[L K]

No team I cheer for can ever have anything good happen to them.  Best Soo team I remember in my lifetime so far but they're running into one of the best junior players ever and he's literally going to single-handedly beat them.

Erie has 16 goals this series, excluding empty-netters.  McDavid has a point on 12 of them.  He has a point on 75% of his teams goals in a series.

It's not entirely the same for me but I can certainly sympathize.  The Knights weren't expected to contend this year but having Erie injure our two best players and then watching McDavid put up 8G 6A in 4 games and then watching him put up another 13 points in the 4 games against SSM is insane.  Motivated McDavid is scary when you compare it to the 6 points he put up in 4 games against Sarnia in their cakewalk series.

Erie scored 21 goals in the 4 games against the Knights with 4 EN goals.  McDavid had 12 points on those 17 goals.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

No team I cheer for can ever have anything good happen to them.  Best Soo team I remember in my lifetime so far but they're running into one of the best junior players ever and he's literally going to single-handedly beat them.

Erie has 16 goals this series, excluding empty-netters.  McDavid has a point on 12 of them.  He has a point on 75% of his teams goals in a series.

It's not entirely the same for me but I can certainly sympathize.  The Knights weren't expected to contend this year but having Erie injure our two best players and then watching McDavid put up 8G 6A in 4 games and then watching him put up another 13 points in the 4 games against SSM is insane.  Motivated McDavid is scary when you compare it to the 6 points he put up in 4 games against Sarnia in their cakewalk series.

Erie scored 21 goals in the 4 games against the Knights with 4 EN goals.  McDavid had 12 points on those 17 goals.

Pretty much just like that.  Greyhounds scored 5 even-strength goals last night and lost.  Special teams are killing them - they go up 4-3, ref calls ridiculous retaliation penalty 30 seconds later, Erie scores 10 seconds later on the PP.

12 of Erie's 19 goals have been either on special teams situations (7 on PP, 2 SH) or empty-netters (3).  Greyhounds have dominated most of the play but the special teams situations have killed them.

 

[L K]

The Erie McDavid's finish off SSM with a 7-5 win.  McDavid with 5 points.

McDavid now has 42 points in 15 playoff games.  McDavid needs 12 points in the OHL finals to match Lawson Crouse's entire season of scoring.  Nick Ritchie is 2nd in OHL playoff scoring with 26 points in 14 games.  From a scoring pace standpoint Mitch Marner had 16 points in 7 games.  Noone else is scoring at much more than PPG pace.

If Edmonton trades one or two of their existing forwards for wingers they are going to be really good.

 

[Bender]

Ritchie is a definite beneficiary here.

 

[pmrules]

What are people's thoughts of strome's play in the playoffs?  5th in playoff scoring but obviously is playing 2nd fiddle. 

Is he hurting himself with this performance, such that it is now clearly a hanifin / marner debate for the 4th pick?

 

[L K]

What are people's thoughts of strome's play in the playoffs?  5th in playoff scoring but obviously is playing 2nd fiddle. 

Is he hurting himself with this performance, such that it is now clearly a hanifin / marner debate for the 4th pick?

Nope.  He's 5th in league scoring playing on a line separate from McDavid.  Strome has played fine.  He's just not as good as McDavid.  If Phoenix picks Marner/Hanifin, I would probably take Strome over whoever is left of the two...keeping in mind I think that Marner might end up with the better career but that it's hard to pass up Strome's size and similar potential.  Regardless of who the Leafs pick, they should be playing another year of junior hockey with Strome being the closest to NHL ready of the three. 

 

[dappleganger]

What are people's thoughts of strome's play in the playoffs?  5th in playoff scoring but obviously is playing 2nd fiddle. 

Is he hurting himself with this performance, such that it is now clearly a hanifin / marner debate for the 4th pick?

Nope.  He's 5th in league scoring playing on a line separate from McDavid.  Strome has played fine.  He's just not as good as McDavid.  If Phoenix picks Marner/Hanifin, I would probably take Strome over whoever is left of the two...keeping in mind I think that Marner might end up with the better career but that it's hard to pass up Strome's size and similar potential.  Regardless of who the Leafs pick, they should be playing another year of junior hockey with Strome being the closest to NHL ready of the three.

Strome, Dylan --> See Strome, Ryan.

Anytime the Leafs would draft for size in the past, none of those picks worked out.

I really hope They pick Hanifin if he's available. I think Dylan is going to be more like Brayden Schenn than Ryan Getzlaf. The Leafs need a Getzlaf. Go with the best Defenceman in the draft if he's available. I'm leaning Marner before Strome as well. Hopefully Phoenix picks Strome.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Every time Soo got close in Erie, Erie got a PP and scored.  The LINESMAN called a 5:00 major against the Hounds, in an elimination game, with the game tied, and Erie scored twice.  Hounds never tied it.

Beyond livid about that. (EDIT: Should add, neither ref called it a penalty initially.  It should have been goalie interference - Hounds player lost his edge skating past the goalie and his leg clipped him.  Similar to when goalie plays the puck behind the net and a skater gets his legs caught up with him.  Was given 5:00 major for slew footing)

Hounds didn't play their best, but they controlled the majority of the games.  Erie went 10/20 on the PP.  Greyhounds were 5th least penalized team in regular season, yet became one of most penalized teams in playoffs (if not most penalized team).  It doesn't make sense.

I hate, hate, hate PP's deciding a series though.  Game 3 had 1 PP in it, was easily the best game of the series.

Yes I'm bitter.

 

[Kin]

I would imagine that teams with exceptional individual offensive players tend to draw more than their share of penalties. It definitely seemed that teams who couldn't legitimately defend Sundin would resort to hooking and holding.

 

[Derk]

Looks like North Bay is in a bit of trouble this afternoon, down 2-0 after 2 in game 6 with Oshawa leading the series 3-2. 20 mins away from an Oshawa / Erie final.

 

[pmrules]

What are people's thoughts of strome's play in the playoffs?  5th in playoff scoring but obviously is playing 2nd fiddle. 

Is he hurting himself with this performance, such that it is now clearly a hanifin / marner debate for the 4th pick?

Nope.  He's 5th in league scoring playing on a line separate from McDavid.  Strome has played fine.  He's just not as good as McDavid.  If Phoenix picks Marner/Hanifin, I would probably take Strome over whoever is left of the two...keeping in mind I think that Marner might end up with the better career but that it's hard to pass up Strome's size and similar potential.  Regardless of who the Leafs pick, they should be playing another year of junior hockey with Strome being the closest to NHL ready of the three.

Thanks for the response.  So its still a 3 headed race for the 4th pick.  That's good to hear.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Oshawa takes the OHL championships. As only a very, very casual fan of the league I'm pretty surprised someone other than Erie/SSM won.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Oshawa takes the OHL championships. As only a very, very casual fan of the league I'm pretty surprised someone other than Erie/SSM won.

Oshawa is an excellent team - old, big with a veteran goalie.  Set an OHL record for fewest goals allowed in the season (I think it was a record anyway).  In reality, any of those 3 teams could have won and there wasn't a ton separating them.  The way the Soo was offensively, Oshawa was defensively. 

 

[ZBBM]

Oshawa takes the OHL championships. As only a very, very casual fan of the league I'm pretty surprised someone other than Erie/SSM won.

Oshawa is an excellent team - old, big with a veteran goalie.  Set an OHL record for fewest goals allowed in the season (I think it was a record anyway).  In reality, any of those 3 teams could have won and there wasn't a ton separating them.  The way the Soo was offensively, Oshawa was defensively.

So a good defense ultimately prevailed over a superhuman offensive force.

There's a lesson here for #4. If Hanifin is there, you take him. No matter how exciting Marner may turn out to be.

I for one would be happy to build a defense around Rielly and Hanifin, hope that Gardiner stralmanizes, and keep Polak on for two or three more to mentor.  (Would not have Hanifin up with Leafs this season however.)

 

[Bender]

Oshawa takes the OHL championships. As only a very, very casual fan of the league I'm pretty surprised someone other than Erie/SSM won.

Oshawa is an excellent team - old, big with a veteran goalie.  Set an OHL record for fewest goals allowed in the season (I think it was a record anyway).  In reality, any of those 3 teams could have won and there wasn't a ton separating them.  The way the Soo was offensively, Oshawa was defensively.

So a good defense ultimately prevailed over a superhuman offensive force.

There's a lesson here for #4. If Hanifin is there, you take him. No matter how exciting Marner may turn out to be.

I for one would be happy to build a defense around Rielly and Hanifin, hope that Gardiner stralmanizes, and keep Polak on for two or three more to mentor.  (Would not have Hanifin up with Leafs this season however.)

I don't think you pick Hanifin based on who won the OHL championship.

 

[ZBBM]

Oshawa takes the OHL championships. As only a very, very casual fan of the league I'm pretty surprised someone other than Erie/SSM won.

Oshawa is an excellent team - old, big with a veteran goalie.  Set an OHL record for fewest goals allowed in the season (I think it was a record anyway).  In reality, any of those 3 teams could have won and there wasn't a ton separating them.  The way the Soo was offensively, Oshawa was defensively.

So a good defense ultimately prevailed over a superhuman offensive force.

There's a lesson here for #4. If Hanifin is there, you take him. No matter how exciting Marner may turn out to be.

I for one would be happy to build a defense around Rielly and Hanifin, hope that Gardiner stralmanizes, and keep Polak on for two or three more to mentor.  (Would not have Hanifin up with Leafs this season however.)

I don't think you pick Hanifin based on who won the OHL championship.

No, you pick him based on the principle illustrated by who won the OHL championship.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

No, you pick him based on the principle illustrated by who won the OHL championship.

What if it's Tyler Johnson or Ryan Getzlaf who wins the Conn Smyth?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

No, you pick him based on the principle illustrated by who won the OHL championship.

What if it's Tyler Johnson or Ryan Getzlaf who wins the Conn Smyth?

I think we can all agree you pick based on the result of the most recent notable hockey game at any level.

 

[Kin]

I actually sort of come down on ZBBM's side on this one. I don't think it's much of a stretch at all to suggest that the value of an elite puck moving defender and the value of a first line centre are pretty neck and neck in the modern NHL.